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#9

Believer12 wrote:

شیرازی صاحب ، بہتر ہوگا کہ آپ علامہ سعدی شیرازی مت بنیں اور حکایتوں میں دریا بند کرنے کی بجاے کچھ تفصیل سے لکھا کریں، یہ معاملات اتنے سیدھے دکھای نہیں دے رہے مثلا کرکٹ ٹیم کا دورہ میچ سے دو چار گھنٹے پہلے کینسل ہوجانا عام سا معاملہ لگ رہا ہے مگر یہ اتنا سیدھا سادھا معاملہ نہیں بہت ساری افواہیں ہیں جن میں سے چند ایک زیادہ وائرل ہوانے والی یہ ہیں کہا جارہا ہے کہ انڈیا نے یوے اے ای یا سعودیہ کے تھرو نیوزی لینڈ کو کسی خوفناک قسم کی دھشت گردی کی اطلاعات پنہچای ہیں کیونکہ انڈیا خود تو سامنے نہیں آسکتا تھا لہذا کسی برادر اسلامی ملک نے نیوزی لینڈ کو یہ غلط اطلاعات دیں جن کا مقصد یہ یقینی دورہ منسوخ کروانا تھا اور مزے کی بات کہ اس برادر اسلامی یا گیر اسلامی ملک نے وہ اطلاعات پاکستان کے ساتھ شئیر نہیں کیں دوسری افواہ یہ گرم ہے کہ صدر پاکستان اور وزیر خارجہ کی طرف سے ٹی ٹی پی دھشت گردوں کو معافی نامے کے اعلان سے مغربی ممالک سخت طیش میں آگئے ہیں اور امریکیوں نے دباو ڈال کر یہ دورہ منسوخ کروا دیا ہے تیسری سب سے خطرناک افواہ یہ ہے کہ نیوزی لینڈ کو موجود افغان پالیسی میں پاکستانی وزیراعظم کے احمقانہ بیانات کے بعد متوقع امریکی یا بھارتی حملو ں کے خطرات سے آگاہ کیا گیا ہے ان ممالک کے سلیپرز پاکستان کے ان علاقوں میں پہلے سے موجود ہیں جہاں پہلے بھی شورش برپا ہوی تھی اور ہوسکتا ہے وہ دھشت گرد حملے شروع کردیں آپ اپنی فراست سے یہ خبر نکال کر لائیں کہ وہ تیسرا ملک جس نے نیوزی لینڈ کو اطلاع کردی کون ہے اور اس ملک نے پاکستان کو اطلاع کیوں نہیں کی؟

All these theories are meaning less, misleading and distraction. NZ pull out is not an event it’s a never ending process. Nawaz Sharif didn’t cut defense budget, all he said we need to revisit our Afghanistan and India policy. He was booted out. Barely anyone in Pakistan is discussing the core issue here our GHQ lead foreign policy. Pakistan’s name will remain in FATF, will be more and more isolated in coming days and will face economic crunch and all this BS for what? To see these clueless barbaric Mullahs at helm in Kabul. People like Babar Azam, Eahat Fateh Ali and Fawad Khan getting hit financially and these idiot Generals are getting filthy rich buying hundreds of papa johns.

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#5

PTI did well in KPK and Sindh and that are warning signs for JUI-F, ANP, PPP & MQM. PMLN did very well in Punjab cantonments especially in Pindi and Lahore where PTI won NA seats in 2018. Credit goes to ECP and PTI on fair elections for most part.

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#23

Pakistani media and public are no different. They also believe all the BS that GHQ controlled media sells. Frankly American media and public are not much different. Media toes establishment’s lines and majority buys that crap.

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#37

I was talking to one Engineering class fellow from Kabul, and still lives in Kabul, few months ago. He said Gen. Scoot Miller is the real authority in Afghanistan. Everyone looks up to him. Even in current saga lot of commanders from Afghan National Army said don’t resist just surrender. The buck clearly didn’t stop at Ashraf Ghani. Another Afghani colleague told said that besides Ashraf Ghani and his 4/5 ministers it’s the same govt. not only establishment but lot of cabinet ministers are continuing their duties.

Biden’s messaging, not his decision, is troubling especially when he said few days ago that Taliban won’t be able to run over like last time. He probably was played by military. If this was pre-planned surrender President could have tailored his message accordingly. But Biden’s decision was right, Obama should have taken this after Osama’s capture but perhaps bcaz of looming elections he punted that to next President .

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#7

All those who are celebrating Talibans success within weeks will be arguing Talibans don’t represent Islam

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#2

Modi had interesting tweet tying horrors of partition to August 14th. I spent all day calling out this half truth by Modi. Pakistan is as much responsible for this as India,  14th August is as much responsible as 15th.

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#18

JMP wrote:

Shirazi sahib I am sorry if I came across as an advocate of suppressing civil supremacy. My apologies as it was never my intent nor reflective of my thought process. I always advocate everyone should do what they are capable of and what the constitution allows them to do. If we are going to compare western democracies with our democracy (if we have one), we have to compare everything not just election rallies. Yes Trudeau, Trump, Biden and any other western leader doesn’t go back. I though yet have to hear these folks claim in their campaign that they are their brothers, sisters, daughters, sons etc. Nor do they claim that they belong / have links to each province or region they hold their rallies. These leaders are always answerable, are always held accountable and are always under public scrutiny. The power in these regions is with the people not the leaders claiming to fight for “civilian supremacy”, in my humble opinion. The day leaders of Pakistan behave the same way as these western leaders, we can exchange notes on what has changed. So far I don’t think it is going to happen in my life time. Maybe in yours as you are much younger and positive than I am.

I have zero doubt on your desire to civilian supremacy and you are coming across  as military apologist. All I am saying our leaders being disconnected to masses, to an extent, is not unique to us. It even happens where democracy works.

While our politicians share some blame I ‘d probably blame our masses who are very tolerant  to military interventions and of course the biggest blame goes to military.

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#4

I am against Talibans, good or bad. Even the good Talibans are bad for Afghanistan due to their repressive policies. But if you recall during their term, 1996-2001, they created havoc in Afghanistan but Pakistan was relatively peaceful. 80k people died in Pakistan after 911 because we were harboring these Talibans. There was no way these Talibans would have survived w/o GHQ support and I suspect that is still the case. Having a friendly regime in Kabul is good for GHQ , wish I could say something about Pakistan. We will have lot more refuges but law and order situation shouldn’t go back to post 911 era

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#16

JMP wrote:

Shirazi sahib

محترم شیرازی صاحب

بہت بہت شکریہ

سویلین بالادستی مقدم اور اول ہے کوئی انکار نہیں . آمریت چاہے وردی کی صورت ہو یا غیر وردی کی صورت آمریت ہی ہوتی ہے میری نظر میں . اور میری نظر میں سیاسی شخصیات کی سویلین بالادستی کے نعرے غیر وردی والوں کی آمریت کا حصول ہے

چار ایک سال پہلے لاہور کے ایک حلقہ میں مستقبل کی سب سے کامیاب سیاست داں اور متوقع وزیر اعظم محترمہ مریم صاحبہ نے ایک مہم چلائی عورت عوام کی بہن عوام کے درمیان گئیں . اس مہم کے بعد کتنی بار عوام کی بہن نے وہاں عوام کے ساتھ وقت گزارا . گلگت کے انتخابات میں مرحومہ بینظیر کے لخت جگر نے دورے کئے اور عوام سے اپنی وابستگی کا بھرپور اظہار کیا اور ان انتخابات سے پہلے اور بعد میں اس علاقے کے عوام کے درمیان کتنا وقت گزارا

کھوکھلے انسان اور کھوکھلےنعرے سے عوام کی عزت نفس مجروح کرنے والے ووٹ کو کیا عزت دے سکتے ہیں

JMP bhai

How often Biden, Trudeau, Trump or BJ go back to public after election campaign? Our public servants are in touch with people like rest of the developed democracies. I don’t see how that’s an excuse to suppress civilian supremacy

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#8

Anjaan bhai couldn’t become Moderator at least get him in the post of the day panel 😀😀

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#4

JMP Bhaiya

Our voters votes based on ethinic, religious and political lines like developed world voters. Voters maturity is less of a concern here. Respect the vote slogan by Miyan  Sb is giving civilian authority to call shots. Military control economy, trade, media, exports & imports, almost everything in Pakistan. Respect the vote is giving that control to civilians like rest of the civilized world. Don’t see it happening anytime soon.

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#5

First of all he is upset beyond language. Secondly, even on language we are over reacting. Election rallies are globally like this even in the most civilized democracy. Election rhetoric is part of democracy. These zingers don’t mean much.

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#8

I think election commission’s directive of telling Ali Amin to leave AJK was very undemocratic. Trump had been using far worse language from US standards but no one banned him. Even his FB and Twitter account ban was a direct attack on freedom of speech. It’s up to the people to reject such notions, EC cannot tell politicians what to say and what not to say else our elections would be like Iranian elections where establishment filters all unorthodox candidates.

Similarly media over reacted on Ismail Gugar’s statement. He is no one but in Indian J&K Farooq Abdullah and Sheikh Abdullah used to say this all the time if our political demands are not met we will be forced to engage with Pakistan. Were they declared traitors? If J&K is disputed territory between India and Pakistan, why referring to India from a Pakistani side is a redline that no one can cross. Imagine if India adopts the same attitude. Their law enforcement machinery is always battling pro Pakistan rallies in J&K. In Pakistani Kashmir forget pro India rallies we even don’t tolerate pro independence rallies. We need to show more maturity and political tolerance. In Kashmir we have plural voices but this election theatrics only allows GHQ parrots. All political parties national or regional works within the confines set by Punjabi army. Under Punjabi military Kashmir won’t be independent it will be occupied by military like rest of the Pakistan. That’s the thing Indian Kashmiris need to think before they opt for Pakistan.

Unfortunately Modi’s India is following footsteps of GHQ’s Pakistan when it comes to civil liberties and freedom of speech. Now India is producing as many traitors as Pakistan 😀😀

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#2

What a useless article by Wasat Illah Khan, he used to write better. What was wrong in elections in AJK. PTI won fair and square like PMLN did last time and PPP prior to that. People genuinely tend to vote for party that’s at helm in Islamabad. And frankly I don’t see much wrong with it.

I thought Wasat Ullah Khan would go into specifics while applauding or criticizing the elections but seems like he doesn’t know much and just had his rants from 30 thousand feet

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#15

نادان wrote:

absolutely not I support Imran khan view .

So. you believe in victim shaming ?

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#12

Interestingly on this thread Guilty is agreeing with Imran Khan and نادان Jee is not. In past, when such feminist issues were discussed in context of religion نادان Jee sided with religion. But I am glad she came out of the box here. As far as Guilty is concerned his progressive views starts and ends at GHQ, no surprise there.

Fawad Chaudhry distanced hind from IK’s Osama martyred gaffe in Jirga today. I wish Saleem Saadi had asked him about Imran’s victim shaming stance on rape. I feel Imran Khan is not only hypocrite, male chauvinist pig but most alarming he is ignorant. There are many sportsman in west who shoot from the hip. West don’t elevate them to highest office in the land unlike GHQ.

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#16

Even the founders of Islam were pedophiles. These Muftis are just keeping the tradition alive.

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#15

گزشتہ دنوں ایک مولوی صاحب ملے تو بڑی عقیدت سے آنکھوں میں آنسو بھر کر فرمانے لگے
“آج تک کفار کی گندی شرم گاہیں ہی دیکھا کیے تھے۔ اب شکر ہے کہ مفتیانِ کرام کے بابرکت آلہ جات بھی دیکھ لیے۔”

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#18

Phudu means stupid.  Perhaps some Pushtoon moderator tied that with some genital organ. That gave Anjan an opportunity to declare martial law.

My dear fellow country men!

From here on I will be your moderator. You were craving for moderation, not any more. You got me 😀😀😀

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