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    Based on paper filings, Maryam Nawaz is only filing from PP150 and Humza from NA. Will she run Punjab as NS is aiming for 4th term?

    Also, what’s going on between Shahid Khaqan and PMLN, why is he not running and his son is also independent, very much like Ch. Nisar?

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1800105/interesting-contests-emerge-as-bigwigs-file-papers-in-punjab

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    Good to be back here, hope we can revive this forum during ‘election’ season
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    Awan

    Are you still suggesting National govt?

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    Kheir Mubarak, indeed great day for Pakistan
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    Malik Noor Aalam Khan is the richest MP, Raja Riaz was PPP stalwart. It’s not surprising these people are against IK.
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    I have generally answer your question and I don’t there is a specific answer. This is not a professional position where a specific education, skills and experience is required. After learning from Khan experience, I came to a conclusion that a leader should give a practical and achievable plan to improve the economy and conditions of people. Khan fits in the worldwide qualification of a leader like he/she should be honest, not corrupt, has a sincere will to bring the change and many others but in the end he failed which proved that these are not the only required qualifications. I would like you to explain the leader’s qualification.

    The biggest qualification for leader is to have roots in masses. That’s why to become PM in Pakistan or President in USA you go through elections. Those roots give you credibility to control civilian and military bureaucracy. Obama’s first term Energy Secretary Steven Chu was Nobel Laureate. The leaders can pick their team as good as they want. They don’t need technical capabilities or experience. They need to have a capability to surround themselves with right kind of people.

    Leaders can hire go to guys like Shahbaz Sharif but unfortunately Shahbaz Sharif  himself is not a leader. He has no roots in masses. Nawaz Sharif’s vote bank is transferred to his daughter, you can see that from her rallies. The drawing room politicians like Zardari and Shahbaz Sharif are ideal for military. They just don’t have means and capability to challenge establishment’s status quo.

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    IK’s D-Chowk rally is Jan 6th deja vu from Trumpies
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    Awan bhai What in your view is qualification and capability of PM? In my view it’s political capital – the soots in masses. It’s that power that gives them liberty to rule civil and military bureaucracy. That’s why we have elections in democracy. Maryam Nawaz is most qualified in PMLN after Nawaz Sharif not bcaz of her anti-establishment stances. She is the biggest crowd puller in PMLN after Nawaz Sharif and that my friend is called political capital and the biggest qualification of the leader. Shahbaz Sharif on the other hand can’t win his seat w/o big brother like Ch. Nisar. His governance model that you are big fan of is through few bureaucrats totally ignoring elected officials. He is only suited as appointed, not elected, mayor of the city and frankly that’s how he served Lahore. Nawaz Sharif appointed him and he served as Mayor Lahore thru 2-3 bureaucrats. Humza Shahbaz was bit more involved with party organization. He can’t pull crowds like his Dad. I am not his fan, like his singing though. I suggested him over Shahbaz Sharif as CM Punjab bcaz of Shahbaz Sharif’s health issues and PMLN won’t make anyone but Sharif CM Punjab or PM. So we are dealing with essentially 3-4 people in totality. Nawaz, Shahbaz, Humza and Maryam. Sooner rather than later PMLN needs to pass the baton to new generation and that’s where I proposed Maryam and Humza. interestingly, in recent elections in Indian Punjab AAP won 92/117 seats, 30M votes there compared to 110M there. Aravind Kejrewal announced Bagwant Maan (2008 laughter challenge participant and a stand up political satirist) as CM candidate in January based on public polls in which 93% people wanted to see him as CM if AAP wins in Punjab. But who are we kidding we don’t expect this sort of transparency from PMLN, PPP, PTI or INC.

    You didn’t answer my simple question. What qualification is needed to be PM, the leader of the country?

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    Awan bhai

    What in your view is qualification and capability of PM? In my view it’s political capital – the soots in masses. It’s that power that gives them liberty to rule civil and military bureaucracy. That’s why we have elections in democracy. Maryam Nawaz is most qualified in PMLN after Nawaz Sharif not bcaz of her anti-establishment stances. She is the biggest crowd puller in PMLN after Nawaz Sharif and that my friend is called political capital and the biggest qualification of the leader.

    Shahbaz Sharif on the other hand can’t win his seat w/o big brother like Ch. Nisar. His governance model that you are big fan of is through few bureaucrats totally ignoring elected officials. He is only suited as appointed, not elected, mayor of the city and frankly that’s how he served Lahore. Nawaz Sharif appointed him and he served as Mayor Lahore thru 2-3 bureaucrats.

    Humza Shahbaz was bit more involved with party organization. He can’t pull crowds like his Dad. I am not his fan, like his singing though. I suggested him over Shahbaz Sharif as CM Punjab bcaz of Shahbaz Sharif’s health issues and PMLN won’t make anyone but Sharif CM Punjab or PM. So we are dealing with essentially 3-4 people in totality. Nawaz, Shahbaz, Humza and Maryam. Sooner rather than later PMLN needs to pass the baton to new generation and that’s where I proposed Maryam and Humza.

    interestingly, in recent elections in Indian Punjab AAP won 92/117 seats, 30M votes there compared to 110M there. Aravind Kejrewal announced Bagwant Maan (2008 laughter challenge participant and a stand up political satirist) as CM candidate in January based on public polls in which 93% people wanted to see him as CM if AAP wins in Punjab. But who are we kidding we don’t expect this sort of transparency from PMLN, PPP, PTI or INC.

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    If Maryam Nawaz becomes PM, that’s the real change everything else is business as usual. For PMLN best case scenario is PM Maryam Nawaz and CM Punjab Humza Shahbaz
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    This will be no confidence motion, meaning opposition needs 172 votes. At this point IK is not taking vote of confidence so he doesn’t need to show majority in the house. Keep in mind Govt won in Senate when they even didn’t have the majority. Musharraf’s 2002 assembly completed its term w/o majority using Faisal Saleh Hayat’s 19 member forward block.

    #GHQ decides

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    I heard Sethi Sb. saying same thing opposition will first remove Imran Khan and then decide about future course. I find this very idiotic. Why would they get on one page knowing beyond no confidence they have serious differences
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    Speaker can legally discard the votes of PTI floor crossers ?
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    Nawaz Sharif and Zardari are not on same page for new setup. NS wants snap polls and Zardari wants to complete the current term with Pervez Elahi as CM Punjab. That gave a new life line to PTI govt. Both NS and Zardari are right safe guarding their political interests Shahbaz Sharif, on the other hand just wants to become PM rain or shine.
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    Awan bhai

    I am amused by your label neutral when establishment throws their weight behind Shahbaz Sharif

    😀😀😀

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    US media is again going all out against Putin and Russia. They always rally behind military industrial complex and their war games. They are ignoring the fact that it takes two to tango. Putin asked for assurances that NATO won’t lure Ukraine to join alliance against Russia. If 🇺🇸 does same thing to China on Taiwan, Xi Jinping will invade Taiwan. After Cold War was over the onus was on USA, the victor, not to revive it.

    This wouldn’t have happened under President Trump. Biden on the other hand have long been puppet of Military Industrial Complex

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    Awan bhai

    None of the factors you listed are new. PTI govt has survived for almost 4 years with all these compulsions bcaz establishment was behind it. In 2002 minority govt survived full 5 years bcaz of establishment. Shahbaz Sharif was trying his best to get in bed with establishment for past 6/7 years. If he finally have some success then we will see a new establishment puppy winning musical chair game

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    What official status Br. Sultan enjoys in UK? Ch. Sarwar’s profile says born in Faislabad, not sure why are you adamant he is Kashmiri. Khaqan Abbasi is from the hills of Punjab not AJK.
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    Ch. Sarwar is not from AJK, he is from Faislabad. Regarding Br. Sultan, he is from Mirpur AJK. Back in 60’s when British companies tried to get Mangl dam contract they gave British visa to one person from every household whose land was needed for Mangla dam. That brought lot of Mirpuries to UK including players like Moen Ali whose forefathers are from Mirpur. Br. Sultan is just a beneficiary of that deal. BTW Mirpur is not a hilly area, it’s terrain is same as Jehlum, speak Punjabi with dialect and look very similar. Br. Sultan is no hilly billy like Khaqan Abbasi, he is more like Fawad Chaudhry.
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