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@Asmari SahibThey didn’t leave Islam they left science. Science had to pass through the prism of religion that’s where problem started. When Abdus Salam won Nobel rich Arab monarchs invited him to help them catch up with west. Salam told them to invest in basic sciences but they said we will invest as much as you want on Technology but not in science. Science contradicts our religion. But Salam said innovation comes from science not technology. Technology is just the result of science and if you just invest in technology you are investing in present not future.

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Bawa JeeSo you were against PPP but didn’t support GHQ. What was the 3rd option in memogate?:)

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@JMP SahibBowling failed but I won’t say we don’t produce bowlers anymore. Our bowlers lacked form not class. Batting is still our long term issue. Sami Aslam was good find but little too defensive. But in patches we batted so good, I don’t recall we batted this good on western tours ever. We were able to compete because of bowling but this time bowling let us down. Misbah did so well for so many years we need to bid him a good farewell even though he screwed up in this series big time.Sports in developing world is always based on talent not infrastructure. Our biggest problem is law & order and no international cricket because of that. We can’t blame anyone for that and no overnight solutions unfortunately. PCB is trying to bring WI for couple of ODI’s in March – keep fingers crossed.

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Bawa JeeI could be wrong but I recall on memogate you were with Miyan Sahib (& GHQ) against HUssain Hiqqani. At least on Cyrilgate we are on the same page.:)

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#6

I like Ian Chapel’s frank tone no sugarcoating. Going into the series the hope was with Amer, Wahab and Yasir Shah we have a world class bowling attack – batting is an issue. I don’t recall Pakistan’s bowling this bad ever. In batting we had bad days especially last day in MCG but had some good moments, Azhar’s double ton, Shafique and Younis’s hundreds. But in bowling we didn’t have any good outing.Misbah should have been forced out. We need Salman Butt, Umar Akmal, Mohmmad Asif, Sharjeel Khan, Shoainb Maqsood, Harris Sohail back in the mix.

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muntazir SahibWhy elder sister-in-law came with 2 kids at 11 am? Her kids didn’t go to school?BTW where is my Thank You ???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmfGyQ5cV2M

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Bawa JeeIt’s good to see you posting Cyril’s articles. Back in the day I was banned few times by Mirza Sahib for posting such “unpatriotic” articles. -;)I love Cyril not just for his clarity of thoughts but writing style. Even here in west there aren’t many who write like Cyril.

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Qarar SahibWestern democracies especially US has fairly diverse populace. Why don’t they try separate electorate on ethnic or religious lines to get better representation?  They don’t because they know it’s the recipe of division but they did in India. Their intentions and Jinnah’s role is clear no conspiracy theory. I ‘d understand if Bawa Jee were sugarcoating it but I fail to understand your romance with Jinnah.

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Qarar SaabJinnah didn’t avoid jail because he was lawyer, there were many lawyers who went to Jail including Ghandi. Jinnah didn’t go to jail because he wasn’t a freedom fighter he was establishment stooge. He was little polished Chaudhry Shujat of his era. He didn’t create Pakistan because of his abilities or talent. He created because British wanted to leave divided India. There intensions were very clear when they gave separate electorate to Muslims. It was impossible for Congress to compete with Muslim League on those 30 seats and cater larger audience on General seats. British rigged the elections in favor of Jinnah. Not because they liked Jinnah’s accent but they wanted to leave divided India. It was in their long term interest.It wasn’t Jinnah’s charisma that attracted people it was his separatist slogans with clear establishment backing that fetch him crowds.

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Bawa Jeeشیرازی جیایک تو مجھے دیسی لبرلز کی سمجھ نہیں آتی ہےاتنے کنفیوزڈ لوگ ہیں کہ کبھی جناح کو سیکولر ثابت کرنے پر لگے ہوتے ہیں اور کبھی مذہبی ملاؤں کے قصیدے پڑھنے شروع ہو جاتے ہیںThat’s the whole debate here Jinnah was secular in personal life but when it comes to politics he carved the country in the name of religion.

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Qarar SaabIn my view Moulana Abul Kalam Azad was better leader than Jinnah. He was more inclusive, more religious, Muslims of subcontinent should have trusted him more than the British puppet Jinnah. Jinnah’s politics was in the era when country was ruled by British. He was a freedom fighter who never went to Jail. His services to freedom movement are similar to Chaudhry’s Shujhat’s to Democracy. Generals took over every now and then during his but he never went behind the bars. That’s not smart politics that’s being in bed with establishment.As far as Bhutto is concerned he was our first populist leader. He was followed by two more Benazir and Nawaz Sharif. When people are at helm it’s always a mix bag some good some bad. He started our nuclear program some may give him credit for that I personally don’t. I think it pushed us more in security state direction very contrary to his populist social slogans Roti, Kapra air Makan. 1973 constitution was good but as you agreed he screwed up big time on Qadiyani issue. His nationalization efforts also backfired. I won’t rate him much higher than two populist leaders that followed him Nawaz Sharif and Benazir. We made some progress under them and then some hiccups. The liberal Bhutto banned liquor and pushed Abdus Salam away where as conservative Nawaz Sharif tried to some credit back to Abdus Salam despite mullahs backlash. The liberal PPP distanced itself from Taseer on blasphemy and conservative PMLN hanged Mumtaz Qadri. Some baby steps by all of them deserves credit.In style and persona I concede Jinnah, Bhutto and Imran leave their contemporaries far behind but how much weight would you give to that while deciding  their hall of fame stature.

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@GP bhaiThere is no doubt that automation has improved our lives. The human brain always tries to do things bigger and better. In the process we made arms that can destroy this planet many times. Well one can argue because of those arms we may might be able to control world wars. But there is not much debate on economic Nuclear bombs in the form of automation and artificial intelligence  we are creating. The Brexit and Trump election are just the beginning of this ticking time bomb.

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Qarar SaabThat does not make him less of a leader.Jinnah played a most significant role in dividing the country in the name of religion. He wasn’t religious in his personal life but his political achievements and ambitions revolved around religion. If this blatant hypocrisy doesn’t make him less I don’t know what would? Same goes for Bhutto.I feel somehow it’s easier for us to  bash people like Zia who openly use religion for political gains. But when our western educated fluent English speaking leaders like Jinnah, Bhutto or Imran covertly use religion for political gains we are very generous in giving them benefit of doubt. To me the biggest Villain is not Ayub, Zia, Musharaaf or Bhutto it’s MA Jinnah. He cemented the role of religion in the politics of subcontinent like no one 500 years before or after him. Bhuttoism, Ziaism all have short self lives could be reversed in matter of few decades but not Jinnah’s. Jinnah didn’t champion the cause of minority Muslims. He carved a separate political federation that he could head where Muslims were majority and left Muslims where they were actually in minority in even worse circumstances.

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In my humble opinion Guilti bhai overrated Bhutto’s courage. Bhutto challenged America. Well there are very few leaders in the world who don’t. Beside British leaders I don’t recall anyone who don’t. US is the sole super power no matter where you live challenging US has political dividends that every Politician on earth try to cash. Most politicians walk on that thin line quite easily Bhutto couldn’t. Bhutto had serious temperament and judgement issues that unfortunately lead to his early dismissal and demise.There are some lines that Qarar Saab quoted from If I am assassinated where Bhutto is bashing Martial Law. Wasn’t he Gen. Ayub Khan’s Foreign Minister? He like Nawaz Sharif launched career not by challenging military dictators but as their cronies. When they talk about civilian supremacy they are not taking principle stands they are saying this to get maximum political benefit. Let’s not romanticize this instead focus on raw political side of it.Bhutto was a talented Politician who rose to the top but couldn’t sustain power for long due to serious personality issues. Yes he was smart he got there but was dumb too gave up all that so easily and quickly.

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The two interesting things I found in the above video.a) Prof. Abdus Salam is the only Nobel Laureate Muslim Scientistb) 85% members of National Academy of Sciences are atheists.

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Arguably Stephen Hawkings is the most brilliant mind since Albert Einstein. The concerns he raised are very grave. The automation has squeezed many blue color jobs. The progress in Artificial Intelligence will do the same with white collar jobs. We the humans are clipping the tree that we are sitting on.

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Bawa JeeYou know very well I am not a big fan of Imran Khan but here I think he has a valid point. The burden of proof lies with Nawaz Sharif of his wealth not Imran Khan. Miyan Sahib’s attempt to hide all that behind a letter a from Qatri prince ain’t the best political strategy. But may be his focus is to cover the legal basis for now.

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Bawa Jeeنواز شریف کو اپنے اقتدار کیلیے عوام، ملکی اسٹبلشمنٹ اور بین الاقوامی اسٹبلشمنٹ کی حمایت کی ضرورت ہے. میرے خیال میں ان تینوں کو نواز شریف کی کرپشن سے کوئی خاص غرض نہیں ہے کیونکہ انکے اپنے اپنے مفادات ہیں اور نواز شریف کی کرپشن انکے مفادات کی راہ میں حائل نہیں ہےThe establishments are overlooking Miyan Saab’s corruptions for some vested interests but your are the real hero. Your love for Nawaz Sharif has no boundaries and no conditions.:)

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کیا مسکین ہوتی ہے یہ عورت بھی، برسوں اپنے باپ کی شفقت کے سائے تلے اپنے گھر والوں کے ساتھ پلتی بڑھتی ہے، اور اب کہاں ایک نا واقف شخص کے ساتھ آ کر سوئی پڑی ہے، اور اس نا واقف شخص کیلئے اس نے اپنے گھر بار ماں باپ چھوڑا، والدین کا لاڈ و پیار اور ناز نخرا چھوڑا، اپنے گھر کی راحت اور آرام کو چھوڑا، اور ایسے شخص کے پاس آئی پڑی ہے جو بس اسے اچھے کی تلقین اور برائی سے روکتا ہے، اس شخص کی دل و جان سے خدمت کرتی ہے، اس کا دل بہلاتی ہے، اس کو راحت اور سکون دیتی ہے، تاکہ بس اس کا رب اس سے راضی ہو جائے، اور بس اس لئیے کہ یہ اس کیلئے اس کے دین کا حکم ہےسبحان اللہ۔۔۔۔Domestic violence is very issue this Moulana Tariq Jamil like melodrama wasn’t needed as preface.@Guily & Qarar Saab said samething in different tone – economic independence is the key to address the menace of domestic violence. Having said that I know some couples where women are earning decently but still face domestic abuse – so let’s go back to the drawing board.:)

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Good reminder Bawa Jee. I will give him a call.

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