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Ghost Protocol wrote:

لولی ڈے صاحب، ماضی میں امریکہ اور دیگر علاقائی قوتوں نے پاکستان کو افغانستان کے چیس بورڈ سے علحیدہ کرنے کی کوشش اور پالیسی اپنائی تھی اپنی تمام تر کوششوں کے باوجود آج امریکی صدر پاکستان سے اپنے اگلے انتخابات جیتنے کی بھیک مانگنے پر مجبور ہورہا ہے اگر میں پنڈی جی ایچ قیو میں پالیسی ساز ہوں تو مجھے اس سے ایک ہی سبق سمجھ آتا ہے کہ پاکستان کی طرف سے طالبان اور دہشت گردی کے حوالے سے دوغلی پالیسی اپنے نتائج دےرہی ہے اور اسی دوغلی پالیسی کے نتیجہ میں پاکستان ایک ستارہ بن کر ابھر رہا ہے تو پھر مجھے کیا کرنا چاہئے ؟ اس پالیسی پر ضرورت کے حساب سے رنگ و روغن کرکے اس کو جاری رکھنا چاہئے کیوں کہ اسکی وجہ سے امریکہ کبھی بھی خطہ سے لا تعلق نہیں رہ سکے گا اور پاکستانی ملٹری کی اہمیت بر قرار رہے گی اور امداد کا لنگر جو عارضی طور پر بند ہوگیا تھا وہ مستقل طور پر کھلا رہے گا یہ درست ہے کہ اس پالیسی کے نتیجہ میں ملک معاشی ، سیاسی ،معاشرتی اور انتظامی حوالوں سے اپنے گھٹنوں سے بھی مزید جھک جائے گا مگر پھر کینٹ کے علاقوں میں تو ایک اور ہی دنیا بستی ہے تو عام جنتا کی کس کو فکر ہے

GP sahib,

Previous US administrations doled out billions and failed, whereas Trump cut all kind of assistance and aid in 2018 and tried to by pass Pakistan but failed miserably to woo Taliban. Where he did succeed was getting Pakistan to make changes to terror funding infrastructure under which first time Pakistan indicated compromise by charging kashmir jihad gang leader Hafiz Saeed under new terrorist funding laws. A day after Indian’s J&K move, IMF team visited Pakistan and reminded cash-strapped government how important it is to implement FATF terror funding recommendations to secure financial aid and loans from international bodies.  I think Trump has his thumb at the right vein and he is not letting it go until Pakistan reverse its course as long as Trump is in the office.

Secondly, US withdrawal does not seem to mean total disengagement of US from Pakistan and Indo Pacific region. Being in strategic partnership with India, eradication of terror network would be India’s first demand of Trump specially when and if Taliban part take in government. India would not want any militancy in its Union gaining spiritual guidance from Taliban successes. Even China who saved Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar at UNSC has totally changed the approach which has resulted in both being listed on global terrorist list.  I dont see much room for Pakistan to play games with international community by harboring militant proxies because every terror episode will have devastating chink in Pakistan’s financial resources. I think, air incursions in Feb, has shown GHQ that India is not going to hold back anymore in case of a terror attack on its soil. And now that J&K has become part of India, any terror attack in this land will be a direct attack on India. Secondly, it must be alarming for GHQ that no one came to Pakistan help during or after the Indian air incursion, infact all quarters asked Pakistan to ensure non-state actors do not use Pakistan soil to organize and carry out attacks in India.

Yes, it is true that Trump does appear to have reconciled with Pakistan for his election campaign but that support is not coming with out conditions for Pakistan to fulfill. And so far they are doing okay and getting the brownie for their good work.

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Initially China gave a measured and somewhat neutral reaction to India’s action on J&K, obviously to the dismay of Pakistan.

China is seriously concerned about the current situation in Jammu Kashmir. China’s position on the Kashmir issue is clear and consistent. It is also an international consensus that the Kashmir issue is an issue left from the past between India and Pakistan. The relevant sides need to exercise restraint and act prudently. In particular, they should refrain from taking actions that will unilaterally change the status quo and escalate tensions. We call on both India and Pakistan to peacefully resolve the relevant disputes through dialogue and consultation and safeguard peace and stability in the region.

Foreign Ministry of PRC

To this low key business as usual press release, Indian MEA shot back.

“The Jammu and Kashmir Reorganization Bill 2019, introduced by the Government in Parliament on 5 August, which proposes the formation of a new “Union Territory of Ladakh” is an internal matter concerning the territory of India. India does not comment on the internal affairs of other countries and similarly expects other countries to do likewise. So far as the India-China Boundary Question is concerned, the two sides have agreed to a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable settlement of the boundary question on the basis of the Political Parameters and Guiding Principles for the Settlement of India-China Boundary Question. Pending such a settlement, both sides have agreed to maintain peace and tranquility in the border areas on the basis of the relevant agreements.”

Indian MEA

I think this knee-jerk response of asking China to not comment on Ladakh and J&K as India does not do the same has rubbed China the wrong way. This clearly is a black-mail where Indian foreign office spoke person is covertly pointing out China’s actions in Hong Kong against the protesters and is asking Chine to shut up or else India will join the Western countries in reeling against China.

No wonder, Qureshi was summoned and made to dash to China and held a nearly three hour meeting with Foreign Minister Wang Yi who this time in no uncertain terms offered open and full support to Pakistan for its efforts to open Kashmir file in UNSC.

Expressing China’s serious concern over the recent escalation of turmoil in Kashmir, Wang said the Kashmir issue is a dispute born out of the region’s colonial history and should be properly handled in a peaceful way in line with the UN Charter, relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council and bilateral agreements between Pakistan and India.

“China and Pakistan are all-weather strategic partners and have always understood and supported each other on issues concerning core interests, which is also a good tradition that both countries should cherish,” Wang stressed. “China will continue to firmly support Pakistan in safeguarding its legitimate rights and uphold fairness for Pakistan in international affairs.”

Both Pakistan and India are China’s friendly neighbors and major developing countries at the crucial stage of development, said Wang, who called on the two sides to prioritize their national development and peace in South Asia, and to properly handle historical grievances, break the zero-sum mindset, avoid unilateral actions and seek a new path of peaceful coexistence.

Chinese Xinhua news

There appear to be two main points:

1.  One, a total shift towards Pakistan after the initial meek response and as P-5 member support for any Pakistan effort in UNSC to open Kashmir file.
2. Two, recognizing that India’s action is unilateral based on zero-sum mindset. But also support to Pakistan is as long as it follows the path of peaceful coexistence.

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Shirazi wrote:

Lovelyday Jee USA seeking Pakistan help on Afghan Taliban is not a new phenomenon. I recall Gen. Kiyani made initial commitments and became buddy of US General, forgetting his name, but didn’t deliver and when he was leaving he bashed Kiyani and Pakistani Army in his final Senate hearing. You seem little too optimistic that Pakistan will help US-Taliban deal. I don’t see that coming, unfortunately. There will be no thaw in Pak-US relation. After losing Dhakka and now Srinagar let’s not distract them from their last hope Kabul. Kabul will be ruled by Taliban though last time they did under Mullah Umar didn’t give us an inch on Durand line but doesn’t matter. Our goal is clear barbaric but friendly regime is Kabul. East Pakistan, 911, Osama nothing changed GHQ’s mindset not sure what makes you so hopeful now?

Thank you Shirazi ji. As I mentioned in my response to your post, I am conjecturing based on reports and news articles that I am reading. Nothing more than that. Would have loved to be omni-present but then it is not a feature attained by human-race yet.

Yes, I believe in Trump and that gives me hope. He has the shrewdness and pragmatism to deal with terrorist-borne influenza that Pakistan is suffering from.

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#58

Bawa wrote:

زبردست تجزیہ لولی ڈے بھائی جی فورم واپسی پر خوش آمدید

Bawa Ji, Salam, how are you doing? Thank you for keeping me in your prayers.

I wish everyone a blessed Eid ul-Adha. May Allah bless your family and this Eid brings you happiness and prosperity throughout the coming year.

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چوتھی بات ، بغیر نیوکلیر ناب کو گھمایے، علاقہ میں تباہی کی حقیقی دھمکی دینے کے علاوہ (فواد چوہدری کا بیانیہ) پاکستان کی مرضی کا حل حاصل کرنے کی اور کونسی صورتیں ہوسکتیں ہیں ؟

I dont read FC and will leave him to prepare Pakistan monkeys for space.

Maximum Pressure policy of US and I think potential realization of Pakistan dependence on foreign countries for its economy and defense will force establishment hand to rethink its disastrous brinkmanship. Because as long as Trump is in WhiteHouse, it will not work. Pakistan decision makers are more assertive because they have seen that their sacrificing terrorist nurseries will be rewarded with prestige and prize. One can only hope prudence and patience from our decision makers.

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تیسری بات کیا دنیا کے بڑے ممالک کے مفاد پاکستان میں اس حد تک بڑھ جاہیں گے کہ وہ ہندوستان سے پاکستان کی مرضی و منشا کے مطابق مذاکرات کرنے پر دباؤ ڈال سکیں گے؟

I think World wants India to put aside hostilities while Pakistan is require to put-off terrorist nurseries. This is absolutely necessary to stop February like situation which could spiral out of control of everyone’s hand. These Afghan negotiations will stand Pakistan in good stead as we have seen so far.

I think P-5 will give it another go and will make India and Pakistan to sit across the table. How much Pakistan get out of such potential opportunity will definitely depend on its relationship with US and specially if Trump will be in White House.

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یہ بھی فرمایئے گا کہ ابھی جب امریکہ کی گوٹ افغانستان میں پھنسی ہویی ہے تب امریکہ نے مالی اور فوجی امداد بند کر رکھی ہے ہاتھ بھی مروڑا ہوا ہے اور ہر وقت دھمکی آمیز رویہ بھی اپناتا ہے کل جب وہ افغانستان سے نکل جائے گا تو پھر وہ کیوں بھارت سے مذاکرات کرواے گا ؟

Saien GP, development are happening at rapid pace. A day after Imran’s visit to Oval Office, US State Dept notified restoration of technical support for Pakistan worth 125mil. This was asked by Pakistan for their F-16 program upgrades.  So this is where we stand right now. If Pakistan wrap, seal and deliver the deal with Taliban and help maintain intra-afghan peace then US would like to significantly draw down its presence in Afghanistan.

However, this draw down is not complete withdrawal, rather allowing regional players to sort out their differences or fight the war on terror for US. This mean US presence will require a host nation which definitely will be Pakistan as it will assist with its influence over Taliban which will be required because US would like to stay vigilant even after the withdrawal. WaPo reported:

U.S. officials acknowledged there are legitimate concerns that the Taliban might not break with al-Qaeda, as Washington has demanded, or stand up to the Islamic State. Still, officials may be content with a partial troop withdrawal that opens the door to additional negotiations and keeps the counterterrorism mission alive as the status quo becomes politically untenable.

This clearly shows how after initial breakthroughs with Taliban and Afghan politicians, US will continue to need Pakistan for further draw down opportunities. And also , this will help Pakistan to suck further aid from US as military and public funds. Trump put it this way during Oval meet with Imran:

PRESIDENT TRUMP:  Well, thank you very much.  It’s my great honor to have the very popular and, by the way, great athlete — one of the greatest — but very popular Prime Minister of Pakistan.

We have many things to discuss: military and terrorism and trade.  And I think we’re going to spend a lot of time talking about trade because we do very little trade with Pakistan compared to what we could be doing and should be doing when our countries really get along perfectly.  And I think we’re having that start.  We’re going to have that start.

But there’s tremendous upside with respect to trade.  One of the things we’re going to be discussing too is hostages; perhaps the polio vaccine, because Pakistan is one of the countries, and we’ll talk about that as to, you know, what your feeling is on that.  But we have a situation in Pakistan where we want to talk about the polio, or the possible polio vaccine.

And I think we’re going to have great meetings.  We’re going to be spending a long time together.  We have our representatives meeting right after we’re finished.  And we just came out, Mr. Prime Minister, with tremendous economic numbers for the United States — the best we’ve ever had.  We’ve got the best economy we’ve ever had.  And I think we can shift some of that over to Pakistan.  We should be doing tremendous business together.  So, I look forward to it.

PRIME MINISTER KHAN:  Inshallah.

Secondly, US and West as well as Middle East will not want to see repeat of non-state actors thrive while Taliban are in power.  This is why I believe, US is working on a roadmap which definitely will require Pakistan to reverse the course of its terrorist nurseries for the better of all regional nations. This draw down is just the beginning and if Pakistan continues to deliver positive results in curbing the terrorists then Trump shown what US will do to help Pakistan.

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#54

Ghost Protocol wrote:

لولی ڈے صاحب، فورم پر طویل غیر حاضری کے بعد اتنی شاندار واپسی کا شکریہ آپ کے خیال میںپاکستان کے پاس امریکی منظور نظر معاہدہ کروانے کے لئے  کونسے لیوریج یا جادو کی چھڑیاں ہیں ؟ یہ بھی فرمایئے گا کہ ابھی جب امریکہ کی گوٹ افغانستان میں پھنسی ہویی ہے تب امریکہ نے مالی اور فوجی امداد بند کر رکھی ہے ہاتھ بھی مروڑا ہوا ہے اور ہر وقت دھمکی آمیز رویہ بھی اپناتا ہے کل جب وہ افغانستان سے نکل جائے گا تو پھر وہ کیوں بھارت سے مذاکرات کرواے گا ؟ تیسری بات کیا دنیا کے بڑے ممالک کے مفاد پاکستان میں اس حد تک بڑھ جاہیں گے کہ وہ ہندوستان سے پاکستان کی مرضی و منشا کے مطابق مذاکرات کرنے پر دباؤ ڈال سکیں گے؟ چوتھی بات ، بغیر نیوکلیر ناب کو گھمایے، علاقہ میں تباہی کی حقیقی دھمکی دینے کے علاوہ (فواد چوہدری کا بیانیہ) پاکستان کی مرضی کا حل حاصل کرنے کی اور کونسی صورتیں ہوسکتیں ہیں ؟

Saien GP, how are you doing? Thank you so very much for keeping me in your prayers.

ںپاکستان کے پاس امریکی منظور نظر معاہدہ کروانے کے لئے  کونسے لیوریج یا جادو کی چھڑیاں ہیں

Saien GP, the simple answer has always been in the clear view of previous US administrations, which was to accommodate Pakistan’s apprehension and authority over western region and that let Taliban be a political reality in Afghanistan.

Finally when, after one year of scorn and humility heaped on Pakistan, US special representative Khalilzad got to the end of the road empty handed, Trump administration decided to simplified its terms of leaving an intelligence operation base in the region and just focus on bringing the troops back home. These terms were indicative of the new paradigm of US admin in the region which Trump spelled out during his presser with Imran.

So we’re working with Pakistan and others to extricate ourselves.  Nor do we want to be policemen, because basically we’re policemen right now.  And we’re not supposed to be policemen.  We’ve been there — we’ve been there for 19 years, in Afghanistan.  It’s ridiculous.  And I think Pakistan helps us with that because we don’t want to stay as policemen.

So basically in his press conf with Khan, he said the US must not be the region’s policeman, looking instead to regional partners to settle their conflicts. This is a seismic shift which US rep Khalilzad first indicated at the top of this year in a flip-flop to US earlier policy.  This is when I think all the regional powers and nations tried their best to assert themselves but except for Pakistan no one came close to bring togather not just Taliban but also all Afghan politicians and loya jira members and even those who are backed by Iran.

What magic wand Pakistan had to come out as potential winner, it appears that its capacity to keep firm control over Taliban all that while and as soon as the moment for legitimacy arrived, Pakistan and Taliban were ready.  Russia and China both tried to have Taliban and turn-coat Afghan politicians to sit across the table but failed in many attempts. But Pakistan was successful in doing this as it was able to sell government to Taliban after 19 years and get its wish granted for control over its Western borders and friendly govt in Afghanistan.

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#50

Shirazi wrote:

Trump saying Modi asked him to mediate between India and Pakistan on Kashmir wasn’t off the hip shot. It was a bait for all that followed. PMIK and QJ Bajwa were under less domestic pressure after US trip where apprently they gained some ground on Kashmir. India apparently reacted to US statement in haste but I feel this whole thing was staged. Pakistan civ-mil leadership was either outplayed or was part of it. I hope later else Pakistan will create even a bigger mess.

Shirazi ji, how are you doing? I hope all is well on your side mate.

We could only conjuncture and wish of being a fly on the wall when US was planning and plotting a conspiracy. Just as it would be repugnant for the world to believe that Modi fooled Trump by leading him to use his conversation on Kashmir to pressurize Pakistan, same as, I find it difficult to swallow that US would “collude” with Pak civ-mil against India on such a sensitive territorial issue. First, US is getting Pakistan to yield with maximum pressure policy w.r.t Afghan negotiations so why change the tact and raise Pakistan’s prize money with fabricated notion, secondly, Trump wants Indian-American vote more than the first time around, thirdly, any such move to antagonize India would not fit in the strategic partnership which US is egging on for the last three or more decades and fourthly, there is always a flip side of every action and why would Trump give Pakistan an opportunity to become the ant in his trunk?

Having said that, US has always been part of the India-Pakistan party. Thats why, yes, I do believe that Modi did ask Trump to be an arbitrator or mediator on Kashmir but what EXACTLY was the “CONTEXT” of his “request” to Trump? This “context” is the unknown and the key to understand the G20 talks between the two.

One thing is as clear as day light after the embarrassing episode of  Trump and India doubling down on their respective notions, that world’s largest democracy has come out of this situation battered and bruised with severely tarnished democratic credentials. Most importantly, as I conjectured above, that India looks like a spoiler to the international peace effort in Afghanistan.

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Most plausible angle to look at India’s J&K action is against the backdrop of US and Taliban home stretch  for a peace agreement.

As soon as Trump egged his desire to get out of Afghanistan with or without a peace deal, the regional actors (count as many as you could) started jocking for their interests in the land locked state.  Taliban agreed to not share Afghanistan land sovereignty under their control with terrorist organizations but also refused US presence in their land as well. The challenge for US and Nato is how to respond in case of an actionable lead in Afghanistan and how to counter or monitor regional power’s influence against US interests. Trump tried hard to pursue India to get Indian army in Afghanistan but to no avail. India could have agreed to send its forces and support Ghani+Karzai groups as well as had protected its billions of dollars of investment in building a library.  But in hind sight it appears that Modi blinked.

Trump under immense pressure to bring back his army from Afghanistan and use this achievement for 2020 election, realized that this could not happen without Pakistan.

Regional powers specially India not believing in US achieving the peace with Taliban, mostly ignored Kahlilzad and his peace mission. But, Khalilzad opened new dialog with Pakistan with a flip flop that stunned the diplomatic circles. Pakistan under “maximum pressure” saw the light at the end of the tunnel and jumped at the opportunity with a bang.

First Pakistan helped US conceive intra-afghan meet in Qatar. This was a huge success as even Russia could not have brought Ghani govt to participate in its summit with Taliban. Secondly, Pakistan hosted by congregating all  other militant groups as well as Afghan politicians in Lahore. After that, Taliban  agreed to visit (or basically showed willingness to join the peace process) Pakistan on a formal invitation by Imran and this time Afghan government (Prez Ghani) did not object as it did before. This showed that there is a way to reconcile all Afghan parties and group on an agenda that could give US “mission accomplished” banner for Afghanistan war.

These activities showed that quite the contrary, Pakistan not only has leverage over Taliban but also over all the major players in Afghanistan political set up. Additionally, it is a partner which could serve as a launching pad for US + Nato intelligence base when US forces are pulled out.

Khalilzad’s efforts of more than a year had brought nothing but travel expenses, and political dismay for Trump. But as soon as, Trump gave Pakistan a chance to prove him wrong, to everyone’s surprise, Pakistan delivered the progress report with glowing colors, leaving India shining like a billboard in the middle of a desert. India had been castigated from all summits by all parties, be it China or Russia. US even went further in early July by not even inviting India to peace talks in Afghanistan and officially formed a consultation group, ” quadrilateral consultation group“, with its members as US, China, Russia and Pakistan. One can only imagine the hurt which India felt since Jan 2019 as being the main contributor in Afghanistan being elbowed out by Pakistan and world powers.

During this time India must have been grappling with a dilemma that how to trust Trump who wants to see India challenging China but then does not even see India worthy partner in Afghan peace consultation group. Who will protect India’s market share and investment in Afghanistan if and when Taliban take the majority of the control of Afghanistan? Or what will happen if Afghanistan radiating Taliban success of defeating USSR and US successively? How will this energize militants in Kashmir and their handlers sitting in Rawalpindi? How will India bring prosperity and central government control to IOK region when its counter region under Pakistan control will thrive in due time with CPEC benefits? There must have been question abound for Indian establishment who saw it clearly its marginalizing position in the region after US pull back.

Thats why, I believe that with renewed prestige for Pakistan after Imran’s visits to US, India could not have let Kashmir pose a serious threat to its security and control over the Jammu & Kashmir resources. And when Trump double down on his offer to mediate between India and Pakistan over Kashmir(obliviously Pakistan played its cards well and expected a tit for tat from US to help against Modi government threats to Pakistan with diversion of rivers), it definitely spooked the stinky cinnamon rolls out of Modi and BJP party. Having absolutely no leverage over Afghanistan development led by Pakistan, with whom Modi government during first term had delinquently burnt all the bridges and seeing how desperately Trump is relying on Pakistan to help achieve the peace deal with Taliban, BJP wasted no time to pull the pin of Kashmir hand-grenade after the elections which were perfectly choreographed to present BJP as the only savior of Indian Union.

May be Pakistan Foreign Minister Qureshi was sleep walking during the last six to eight months and did not realize what was happening, but it absolutely was no surprise for anyone in the game to know that India was first dismayed at its ” diplomatic isolation” from the regional developments and then was threatened by Trump’s Kashmir mediation offer. It probably happened earlier than expected but it was on the cards regardless who had won the Indian elections.

Basically, India has drawn a red line which no one can cross. This is why the world powers have a mute reaction. Pakistan is making alot of noise but I think in reality or behind the curtain they are preparing for dialogue with India, which exactly was Pakistan wants. Also, Pakistan’s first reaction was that of a casual like do what you want it has no bearing on International resolution on Kashmir in UN. And also, Pindi brigade through Musharaff had long ago clearly spelled that they are ready for LoC to become an international border as long as people of both regions of Kashmir can travel freely across it.  That will be an agenda point for discussion and action, I am sure. Also, India has hurt its chances to become a permanent member of UNSC. Not that the world and its powerful countries are principled but because they immediately saw how Indian government could sabotage international efforts when its own benefits are ignored by them. It is the job of Pakistan FO to broadcast folly of Indian government not just in international diplomatic circles but also in media and United Nation.

But also, Pakistan has to wrap, seal and deliver the Afghan deal to Trump else diplomacy of “maximum pressure”, will continue unabated. And only achieving this successfully, Trump may come to help facilitate dialogue with India.

So far, Pakistan is doing okay and despite playing to internal gallery it has shown to world that Kashmir issue will not distract them from Afghanistan deliverables. I hope Pakistan establishment will have the prudence and patience. Let Jammu & Kashmir, Ladakh and the world see how Modi delivers prosperity and jobs to the region. Whether Modi wins or loses, Pakistan and Kashmir are the winners in both the cases.

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One thing in the video is for sure, it is edited and that the military personal are Pakistani.  A junior disobeyed the senior who initial tried to stop him but then stood by him while 14 single fire and two auto bursts of bullets were fired straight at the crowd. Another interesting thing is that another military personal ran out of the crowd when bullets were shot at unarmed people. Who knows how many people and military personal would have got hit.

I think investigating this incident and bringing the culprits to justice, as always, will severely downgrade the morale of Pakistan Army and play into the hands of anti Pakistan forces.

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#117

bluesheep wrote:

باولے نوکری کر ٹائم نہیں ہے کہیں تیری ملکہ بدک نہ جائے ویسے روزہ ملکہ کی ٹٹی سے کھولتا ہے ؟

One, mixing holy tenant of Pakistan majority’s belief system with crap, is a sacrilegious speak. Two, it has been used to demonize other(s) as non-patriotic towards Pakistan is vile prejudice. And thirdly, ridiculing founder of Pakistan and the very base to which Pakistan was formed while abusing others for not respecting Pakistan is plain bigotry.

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Saien Atif Qazi

AMK did meet with Saudi Ambo. Here is the link of an article dated 23rd May 2019.  Saudi Press Agency (SPA)

The news entry only states the following:

Islamabad, May 23, 2019, SPA — Saudi Ambassador to Pakistan Nawaf bin Saeed Al-Malki received here today Pakistani Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan.
During the meeting, they discussed the bilateral relations between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and means of enhancing them in various fields.
–SPA

I would be very surprised that AMK’s letter would be leaked to social media as, if it is authentic, it  is addressed to Saudi Ambo and must be a secret document.

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مجھے قوٹ کیے بغیر محترم نے جواب دیا وہ کرپشن برے پروجیکٹس میں ہوتی تھی جیسے قطر سے گیس کا معاہدہ 

 

Saien GeoG

Absolutely right. Imran and specially Rasheed have failed every time to prove their allegation of commission or misappropriation in LNG purchase contract.  Even the SC appointed JIT and ISI could not find anything against Khaqan Abbassi or Nawaz during their investigations. Specially in this deal, exceptional steps were taken by the finance standing committee and ordered PSO and OGRA to create transparency and public access to the LNG Purchase Agreement and every months determination of RLNG prices.

Here is the LNG purchase agreement copy  and link to the monthly determination of RNLG prices by OGRA (an independent authority run by ex-military stooges   ) . Everything has been according to the book and fully transparent. All prices are determined by the market value as per the agreement (page 40) as:

15.1 Calculation of the Contract Price
15.1.1 The price (in US$/MMBTU) applicable to each relevant Cargo, the discharge of which commences during a particular
calendar month (“Month n”) (the “Contract Price”), shall be equal to CP, determined in accordance with the following
formula:
CP= 13.37% Brentm
where:
CP is the Contract Price applicable to each Cargo, Rounded to four (4) decimal places; Brent, for a given month is the
arithmetic mean of the three (3) values of BRICE (US$/bbl) for the three (3) months immediately preceding (and not including)
the month in which the commencement of unloading of the relevant Cargo falls. Brentm shall be Rounded to four (4)) decimal
places; and
BRICE for a given month is the arithmetic mean of all the settlement prices (US$/bbl) for each quoted day of that month as
published by the International Exchange of the first time ICE Brent future’s contract. The first time settlement price will be
used except in the expiration date of each maturity. On such date, the applicable pricing quotation will be rolled to the second
nearby maturity. BRICE shall not be Rounded..

If someone still does not give credit to the efforts made to create transparency then one can only regret such disdain of a person.

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^^

Saien Guilty

لیکن جس کھیل میں عمران خان ۔۔۔۔ اپوزیشن ۔۔۔۔ قوم ۔۔۔۔ ملک ۔۔۔۔ ھم سب شامل ہیں وہ کھیل اکا نا می کا نہیں سیاست کا کھیل ہے 

Absolutely spot on. More animosities Imran/PTI will create in the name of accountability, more he will dig his government’s grave.

BTW is it true that Imran has not personally congratulated Hafeez Sheikh on being at the helm of economic advisorship?

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#7

I think it a great effort and it seems that he is running his blog quite successfully as it has more than 100 pages of entries. It is a very common practice for IT professionals to create such blogs to demonstrate and exhibit their website administration and technical competency to either new employers or customers.

If not already, Mrحسن داور

can also prepare a blog or website development course specially in URDU language and publish their training course on udemy.com. This is another way many freelance IT professionals make that pocket money that runs their kitchen.

Well done Hasan Dawar sahib.

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#11

JMP wrote:

shahidabassisahib

محترم شاہد عباسی صاحب

بہت عرصے بعد نظر آے ہیں

موضوع شروع کرنے کا بہت بہت شکریہ

یقیناً محترم عاطف میاں ایک نامور ماہر اقتصادیت ہیں اور انکی بات میں وزن ہے

میں اس بات سے بھی اتفاق کرتا ہوں کے چین کی سرمایہ کاری کے وقتی طور پر تو شاید مثبت نتائج دیکھنے کو ملیں مگر لمبے عرصے میں نقصانات کے زیادہ امکانات ہیں

میں اس بات سے بھی اتفاق کرتا ہوں کے دور رس نتائج کے لئے شروع میں قربانیاں دینا پڑتی ہیں اور مشکل فیصلہ کرنے پڑتے ہیں

میرے آپ سے مودبانہ التجاء کے انداز میں چار سوال ہیں

١) یہ سب باتیں جو محترم عاطف میں صاحب بیان فرما رہے ہیں اور آپ کی اعلیٰ تعلیم کی بناء پر آپ بھی بہت عرصہ سے کر رہے ہیں ان باتوں کی عزت مآب وزیر اعظم محترم عمران خان صاحب اور انکے رفقاء کو کیوں خبر نہ تھی. کیا انکے رفقاء اس بات کے اہل نہ تھے کے یہ سب جانتے . اور اگر یہ سب پتا تھا تو اتنے بلند بانگ دعویٰ اور وعدے کیوں کئے عوام کے ساتھ

٢) محترم عمران خان صاحب نے محترم عاطف میاں کی مخالفت کے سامنے گھٹنے کیوں ٹیکے ؟ محترم اسد عمر کی برطرفی پر خاموش کیوں رہے

٣) اگر موجودہ حکومت دور رس اہم فیصلہ کر رہی ہے تو تو موجودہ وزیر خزانہ کو کس نے نامزد کیا ہے ؟

٤) کیا موجودہ حکومت سن کچھ سوچ سمجھ کر رہی ہے یا رہے آسرا اوپر والے پر بھروسہ کر رہی ہے

آج بھی عوام کو پوری صورت حال نہیں بتائی جا رہی نہ ہی اعتماد میں لیا جا رہا

مجھے سمجھ میں نہیں آ رہا کے قصور وار کون ہیں؟ جن پر آج الزام دیا جا رہا ہے کے وہ پیچھے برے حالات چھوڑ گئے یا جنہوں نے جانتے بوجھتے ہوے وعدے کئے

پچھلے دس ایک ماہ میں کوئی ایک ایسا خطاب ، بیان ، پالیسی دیکھ ادیں جس سے یہ اطمینان ہو کے عزت مآب وزیر اعظم پاکستان جناب محترم عمران خان صاحب اور انکی حکومت کو خبر ہے کے وہ کیا کر رہے ہیں اور سب کچھ ایک پوری طرح سوچے سمجھے منصوبہ کے تحت کر رہے ہیں

معافی چاہتا ہوں کے پڑھا لکھا نہیں ہوں لہٰذا عالمانہ باتیں نہیں کر سکتا

Saien @JMP

Economic institutes and its underlying operational infrastructure requires thorough overhaul but most important at this moment is :

1.  Wealth creation / Revenue Generation through export and value addition services
2. Counter Attacking black economy and flight of intellectual and monetary resources

I think if PTI/Imran just simply focus on these two points with a consensus and open market based policies then there is no reason why an organic reservoir of wealth can not be created to delist Pakistan from IMF program.  This will create an environment which will force the government hand to devise and implement structural efficiencies.

Current policy of arm twisting to fill coffers will not only create political animosity but will also handicap Imran/PTI political credit with the business community.

آج بھی عوام کو پوری صورت حال نہیں بتائی جا رہی نہ ہی اعتماد میں لیا جا رہا

مجھے سمجھ میں نہیں آ رہا کے قصور وار کون ہیں؟ جن پر آج الزام دیا جا رہا ہے کے وہ پیچھے برے حالات چھوڑ گئے یا جنہوں نے جانتے بوجھتے ہوے وعدے کئے

I share your feeling as well and had tried to express my views in this post last week.

معافی چاہتا ہوں کے پڑھا لکھا نہیں ہوں لہٰذا عالمانہ باتیں نہیں کر سکتا

Exactly right Saien, Pakistan needs to break away from its ultra security sensitive inhibitions and breathe in an open and competitive market place to start generating its own wealth for its well being.

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#50

عمر کے معاملے میں البتہ یہ مشاہدہ رہا ہے کے جو کل بچہ تھا وہ آج بوڑھا ہے . جو آج بچہ ہے وہ کل بوڑھا ہو گا

Saien JMP

Last week, a day before the Australian Federal election, Bob Hawke passed away.  He was a towering, can-do prime minister. Larrikin and Rhodes Scholar, he was a loved warrior and intellect in the only pantheon that really counts – the people’s pantheon.  He was known for writing letters to children and on his passing away, many people shared their letters through social media. Your comment above is as good as his letter to a 9 year of child he penned in 1985. I thought of sharing it with you.

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#31

I am disappointed by Modi as I never had any hope from Modi.

Modi has firmly established India as the most cost-effective manufacturing and services industrial place in the world in just one term. Look at the huge gambit it played successfully with demonitization of its currency to counter attack/eradicate black economy and corruption. While Obama had been criminally signing multi-party trade deals with other countries where US businesses could manufacture goods outside the US, there in India, Modi was taking full advantage of this foolishness of US administration. The fact is that India is not only economically interconnected with the Western world but has created its own cultural identity during Modi’s tenure that resonates with the West in harmony. China is another majestic nation with epic civilization and highly modern industrialized platform but one could sense the lack of people to people and govt to govt bond that is lacking warmness as compared to India. I credit Modi for aligning India with the West.

I always had a feeling that Modi will lead India to become a fanatic Hindu dominated radicalized country and he has not proven me wrong, so far.

BJP or any other political and social movement can not divorce from its organic make up. If Modi comes back with Majority government then I am sure, it will address human rights issues with much more vigor to please EU to continue to have favorable access to their markets as well as diplomatic support. But then the main issue India is facing like the whole world is wealth creation that results in job creation for the lower middle to lower class citizens. One would hope that addressing joblessness in society would also create more cordial relations between constituents.

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#30

I was and still am supportive of Modi’s visit and Mian Nawaz Sharif sahib’s overtures to extend the hand of friendship and foster neighborly relationships.

JMPsahib,

Facts is that BJP government either under Modi or in coalition (NDA – under Atal Bihari Vajpaee)  has always been reformative towards Pakistan. It was Nawaz when Vajpaee came to Lahore and got the cold shoulder from the GHQ.  It is not hard to imagine what would have been the fate of South East Asia had GHQ let Nawaz entertain peace with India. Even after atrocious gambit of  Kargil, India not only forgo attack on her Parliament but its leaders showed great statesmanship in giving legitimacy to Musharraf by holding his hand in Nepal Saarc meet. Again it was BJP back government which followed through Agra Summit where Musharraf could not mustered the courage to call Kashmir violent attacks as Terrorism.

If Modi

a. comes in with Majority government and

b. cut off its oil imports with Iran (and halt trade activities like Chabahar port) in support for Trump demands then I see debilitating fait-acompli for GHQ midgets. (India has still to pay in same coin to US and EU: specially France and England for their open support after Pulwama and designation of terrorist Azhar Massod on UN terrorist lists by rendering China’s efforts futile.)

This is why I feel that if anyone, it will be BJP or Indian Govt with BJP, will create another opportunity for peace with Pakistan as it will need the transit routes to Afghanistan and Central Asian states. Israel, GCC and US would not like to see Congress in Majority government which could thwart Iran plans with its Non-Aligned movement style diplomacy.

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