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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

    Opposition wants minister fired over pilot licences row

    PML-N president and Opposition Leader in National Assembly Shahbaz Sharif, in a statement from Lahore, demanded that Prime Minister Imran Khan resign from the office for “defiling the nation flag carrier PIA causing it billions in losses and embarrassing Pakistan all over the world with his government’s misinformation statements that had turned out to be false”.

    Mr Sharif said after the CAA DG’s letter, action must be taken against Imran Khan and the aviation minster. He said “incompetent Imran and his blunderous minister” were responsible for the billions worth of losses to the country’s national airline.

    Published in Dawn, July 17th, 2020

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1569459/opposition-wants-minister-fired-over-pilot-licences-row

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    No we should wait till Zulfi Bokhari may clinch deal for Roosevelt hotel and Naqvi can get out Karachi Electric with clean hands as intelligence agencies must be reporting all these to Selected.
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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

    No we should wait till Zulfi Bokhari may clinch deal for Roosevelt hotel and Naqvi can get out Karachi Electric with clean hands as intelligence agencies must be reporting all these to Selected.

    I think the situation is much serious than what you have pointed out.

    I used to be an ardent fan of Imran as a cricketer and when it appeared that he might become the PM, I was concerned of his inexperience but then thought, yes he will make mistakes but he will correct his mistakes like he did when he was cricket captain.

    But time and again, I have observed that he ends up making a mistake but does not possess the courage to admit and correct the mistake. It is very sad for me to admit that I am now beginning to believe that he is not competent for the job.

    I think he should call it a day now and not wait for the elections.

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    I think the situation is much serious than what you have pointed out. I used to be an ardent fan of Imran as a cricketer and when it appeared that he might become the PM, I was concerned of his inexperience but then thought, yes he will make mistakes but he will correct his mistakes like he did when he was cricket captain. But time and again, I have observed that he ends up making a mistake but does not possess the courage to admit and correct the mistake. It is very sad for me to admit that I am now beginning to believe that he is not competent for the job. I think he should call it a day now and not wait for the elections.

    بری دیر کی مہربان آتے آتے

    But bigger concern is not his incompetence but his con artistry.

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    بری دیر کی مہربان آتے آتے But bigger concern is not his incompetence but his con artistry.

    ہا ہا ہا ۔۔۔انجان نے بڑے ڈھنگ کی بات کر دی ۔۔۔ہا ہا ہا

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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

    گھبرانا نہیں ہم ورلڈ کپ وننر ہیں

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    I think the situation is much serious than what you have pointed out. I used to be an ardent fan of Imran as a cricketer and when it appeared that he might become the PM, I was concerned of his inexperience but then thought, yes he will make mistakes but he will correct his mistakes like he did when he was cricket captain. But time and again, I have observed that he ends up making a mistake but does not possess the courage to admit and correct the mistake. It is very sad for me to admit that I am now beginning to believe that he is not competent for the job. I think he should call it a day now and not wait for the elections.

    I think it is still too early to call it a day for Khan/PTI; majority of people still believe he should be given more time. I believe he should be given more time to prove his competency or incompetency in five years otherwise he will be on roads again with his Tigers to topple the next government. I understand things are very bad in Pakistan but removing a government undemocratic way or even democratic way will disturb the 10 year continuous democracy streak (2008-2018). Removing government will open corridors for future government as well to remove it democratic or undemocratic way. Gallop Pakistan’s early 2020 Survey is a good charge sheet against government where every one third Pakistani is dissatisfied. This survey was carried about one and half year of PTI rule and results were released on March 01, 2020:

    https://gallup.com.pk/public-pulse-2020-performance-ratings-of-government/

    I still believe one and half years is not big time and it gives Khan government a benefit of doubt whether he can improve his government in next few years or not. The first democratic step to remove current government is mid term elections but remember it is not in constitution and it is totally a discretionary right of current government to accept it or not.

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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

    یہ بات تمہیں کسی نے سمجھای ہے نا؟

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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

    اسکی گرل فرینڈ نے سمجھائ ہے

    یہ بات تمہیں کسی نے سمجھای ہے نا؟ :serious:
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    I think it is still too early to call it a day for Khan/PTI; majority of people still believe he should be given more time. I believe he should be given more time to prove his competency or incompetency in five years otherwise he will be on roads again with his Tigers to topple the next government. I understand things are very bad in Pakistan but removing a government undemocratic way or even democratic way will disturb the 10 year continuous democracy streak (2008-2018). Removing government will open corridors for future government as well to remove it democratic or undemocratic way. Gallop Pakistan’s early 2020 Survey is a good charge sheet against government where every one third Pakistani is dissatisfied. This survey was carried about one and half year of PTI rule and results were released on March 01, 2020: https://gallup.com.pk/public-pulse-2020-performance-ratings-of-government/ I still believe one and half years is not big time and it gives Khan government a benefit of doubt whether he can improve his government in next few years or not. The first democratic step to remove current government is mid term elections but remember it is not in constitution and it is totally a discretionary right of current government to accept it or not. GeoG

    Awan Bhai, I don`t say that this survey does not represent the mood of the people as we have been quoting the same surveys in the past but even this shows 64 percent Dissatisfied, should we wait for 99 percent??

    Why should we let him to continue when we know how he was brought to the position where he is now, had this been a fair election then one could claim that we should let him complete his term but he got here with rigged elections and people have the right to kick him, it will be a fair game for me.

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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

     people have the right to kick him, it will be a fair game for me.

    Indeed people have right to kick him out through ballot, how else can they do so?

    I think if he is gone prematurely than all blames of failures will be on his shoulder and the real masters may come out clean. However completion of five year disastrous term may end up weakening establishment’s grip for limited time.  

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    Awan Bhai, I don`t say that this survey does not represent the mood of the people as we have been quoting the same surveys in the past but even this shows 64 percent Dissatisfied, should we wait for 99 percent?? Why should we let him to continue when we know how he was brought to the position where he is now, had this been a fair election then one could claim that we should let him complete his term but he got here with rigged elections and people have the right to kick him, it will be a fair game for me.

    There is no problem with the survey results but problem is in duration of government. It is now history whatever way he came in power and we need to look forward and plan for the future. If you remove his government undemocratic way then he will be “Siasi Shaheed” and all sympathies will be with him and it will be a repeat of nineties era when each of PPP & PML(N) were given 1.5 to 2.5 years twice. The only democratic option is mid term election which is discretionary right of government to accept it or not. Whenever we discuss this matter in mix gathering, majority of people are of the view that it is only 2 years and government deserves more time. It make sense that even if a government really want to bring a change then two years are not sufficient enough. Let us be patient and let this government complete its term for five years and then it will be a apple to apple comparison between PPP, PML(N) and PTI era.

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    Awan Bhai, I don`t say that this survey does not represent the mood of the people as we have been quoting the same surveys in the past but even this shows 64 percent Dissatisfied, should we wait for 99 percent?? Why should we let him to continue when we know how he was brought to the position where he is now, had this been a fair election then one could claim that we should let him complete his term but he got here with rigged elections and people have the right to kick him, it will be a fair game for me.

    میرے نزدیک قصوروار وہ اشخاص ہیں جنہوں نے ایک مریل گھوڑے پر سوار ہوکر سمجھا کہ اب تو ریس جیت ہی جائیں گے پہلے بھی ہارتے رہے ہیں مگر اس دفعہ تو منہ کے بل گٹر میں جاگرے

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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

    Indeed people have right to kick him out through ballot, how else can they do so?

    I think if he is gone prematurely than all blames of failures will be on his shoulder and the real masters may come out clean. However completion of five year disastrous term may end up weakening establishment’s grip for limited time.

    GP Bhai, i beg to disagree, he never came to power through ballot so why sending him out through ballot should matter!

    These disasters which we see today will not continue at same speed not that he will improve things but the comparison will be made with his first two disastrous years so things are likely to stabilize but question is do we wish stability at the lower end  or we wish to moving upward once again, i am for the second choice….

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    There is no problem with the survey results but problem is in duration of government. It is now history whatever way he came in power and we need to look forward and plan for the future. If you remove his government undemocratic way then he will be “Siasi Shaheed” and all sympathies will be with him and it will be a repeat of nineties era when each of PPP & PML(N) were given 1.5 to 2.5 years twice. The only democratic option is mid term election which is discretionary right of government to accept it or not. Whenever we discuss this matter in mix gathering, majority of people are of the view that it is only 2 years and government deserves more time. It make sense that even if a government really want to bring a change then two years are not sufficient enough. Let us be patient and let this government complete its term for five years and then it will be a apple to apple comparison between PPP, PML(N) and PTI era.

    Fair enough but and there is a BIG but

    What makes you think that Establishment will not play the same as they did in 2018

    I think time is now, after Corona subsides and once there is a popular movement, Establishment will get along seeing the mood of the people.

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    Re: Should Imran Call it a Day?

    I never suggested that he should be removed from office or public should run a campaign against him

    I simply posed a question that in view of his poor or none governance and his inability to control his ministers, should he himself throw the towel?

    In my opinion if he did that, he will command more of public’s respect. Otherwise he too will pick up the “Corruption” allegations. Corruption is not just money oriented concept. Abuse of power is corruption too (HBL and Post contract without tender is the latest example).

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    Fair enough but and there is a BIG but What makes you think that Establishment will not play the same as they did in 2018 I think time is now, after Corona subsides and once there is a popular movement, Establishment will get along seeing the mood of the people.

    Establishment does not care much about mood of people. Establishment did not interfered with Zaradari government (2008-2013) despite very angry mood of people with 18 hours of load shedding, law & order situation, inflation and huge corruption scandles. They were comfortable with Zaradari and they let the government complete its term of five years. Gillani disqualification was a different matter and it was a court decision. Establishment satisfaction was problem right from beginning of Nawaz era when Nawaz started cases against Musharaf and it lead to Dharna-1 and eventually the government was toppled by establishment with the help of courts. PML(N) still got the chance to complete its remaining period of about one year. I don’t think establishment has any major issue with Khan government now as almost all institution heads are filled with X or current military personals and cabinet is full of direct or indirect military people. Military never penetrated in any government that deep before. If public moods gets worse further after a year or six months; they will try to bring in house change by  bringing one of its puppet like Shah Mahmood Qureshi to complete remaining term. It will still be called as democratic change and people will get a chance to elect new PM in 2023. It depends on how things unfolds in coming months and years. Mid term elections if Khan agrees is the best democratic option other than that removing Khan democratic or undemocratic way will not be fair with PTI as they should get full term under Khan as PM.

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    Establishment does not care much about mood of people. Establishment did not interfered with Zaradari government (2008-2013) despite very angry mood of people with 18 hours of load shedding, law & order situation, inflation and huge corruption scandles. They were comfortable with Zaradari and they let the government complete its term of five years. Gillani disqualification was a different matter and it was a court decision. Establishment satisfaction was problem right from beginning of Nawaz era when Nawaz started cases against Musharaf and it lead to Dharna-1 and eventually the government was toppled by establishment with the help of courts. PML(N) still got the chance to complete its remaining period of about one year. I don’t think establishment has any major issue with Khan government now as almost all institution heads are filled with X or current military personals and cabinet is full of direct or indirect military people. Military never penetrated in any government that deep before. If public moods gets worse further after a year or six months; they will try to bring in house change by bringing one of its puppet like Shah Mahmood Qureshi to complete remaining term. It will still be called as democratic change and people will get a chance to elect new PM in 2023. It depends on how things unfolds in coming months and years. Mid term elections if Khan agrees is the best democratic option other than that removing Khan democratic or undemocratic way will not be fair with PTI as they should get full term under Khan as PM.

    I did not suggest that he sould be ousted. My question was that in view of his inability to govern, should he call it a day before he is pushed.

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    I did not suggest that he sould be ousted. My question was that in view of his inability to govern, should he call it a day before he is pushed.

    My response may be slow as in peak summer time

    I am busy in outdoor activities but topic is interesting and I will reply ASAP. Who calls it a day and leaves the power corridors without any external pressure? There are many examples when PM has to resign under a lot of pressure or interference of other forces. I can give you two from our history. Nawaz in his first era had extreme differences with army and when these differences reached to a point of no return then he was removed through army puppet Ghulam Ishaq Khan. Nawaz took the matter to court and got himself restored by Supreme Court. PML(N) got jubilant but differences between army and Nawaz could not resolved and Nawaz resigned but on a condition that President Ghulam Ishaq will also resign. Second example was rather easy in Marshal Law of Musharraf when after a three hour meeting with army chief, Jamali resigned from PM.

    If Khan want to resign then first he has to admit himself (not in media) that he failed. He still thinks in his imaginary world that I am still successful and will improve the things further over the years. It is suitable for army that a puppet on top level loyal to army chief and then army everywhere in lower level. You can easily judge real and puppet power in a minute from PM to each ministry and each institution. Khan & PPP will not accept mid-term elections as well.I think this model will go on until next elections with some changes here and there.

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     question is do we wish stability at the lower end or we wish to moving upward once again, i am for the second choice….

    But how so? what’s the mechanism are you suggesting?

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