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    Karachi is supposedly most educated city. After devastating rains and power outages what are the issues Karachites are rallying around?
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    Shirazi sahib

    What is the definition of education. As respected Unsafe sahib has pointed out what is imparted as education could be a propaganda.

    By the way Karachi has a population of 22 million or so. It has people from all of the country with al sort of backgrounds, ideologies or lack of ideologies and political base. I have seen almost all school of thoughts and political and non political powers assembling thousands of people to demonstrate their power. In my opinion, when it comes to religion, education or lack of it doesn’t matter in our nook of the woods.

    In my opinion, Karachi has many of the similar issues as other parts of the country and one different issue. It has very little local presence in the governmental for other government affairs. Well one can also argue that when it comes to federal government, one doesn’t know if there is any representation of the (s)elected political party or not.

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    Re: Sea of people in anti-shia rally jolts Karachi

    Karachi is supposedly most educated city. After devastating rains and power outages what are the issues Karachites are rallying around?

    Shirazi bhaai,

    Karachites have been on the roads for all the wrong reasons. They don’t protest for their reduced counting in census, paying billions of Rs to tanker mafia, qabza mafia, etc.  Don’t forget, before MQM, Karachi was the hotbed of sectarian violence and had been supportive of religious parties.

    Besides, Karachi what’s happening on the street of uncle Sam.

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    The militias on the streets here is part of political progress. Six hundred thousands died in civil war to abolish slavery. The crusades that separated church from state were darn bloody. These political rights movements aren’t won in drawing rooms but are hard fought in streets. The colored people in USA are on the rise, their numbers, their rights and white conservatives feel uncomfortable with that. Besides economy these cultural rifts played significant role in Trump’s victory in 2016. In 2020 besides Covid same racial tensions are again on forefront.

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    Ghost Protocol bhai The militias on the streets here is part of political progress. Six hundred thousands died in civil war to abolish slavery. The crusades that separated church from state were darn bloody. These political rights movements aren’t won in drawing rooms but are hard fought in streets. The colored people in USA are on the rise, their numbers, their rights and white conservatives feel uncomfortable with that. Besides economy these cultural rifts played significant role in Trump’s victory in 2016. In 2020 besides Covid same racial tensions are again on forefront.

    Do you foresee a brown militia in coming years?

    How do you and family feel having those militias roaming freely on roads?

    Are there any calls to crush these movements using state force?

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    Re: Sea of people in anti-shia rally jolts Karachi

    Do you foresee a brown militia in coming years?

    How do you and family feel having those militias roaming freely on roads?

    Are there any calls to crush these movements using state force?

    I don’t foresee brown militias. Browns in general don’t do such organized political struggles. That’s why Karachites rally around against Shias but not on improving their civic conditions. That’s why Hitler won India freedom not Indians, that’s why there is no democracy or freedom of speech in 335M Arabs or 1.3B Chinese. American browns are no different. The good news is blacks are fighting for our rights too.

    I ‘d feel very unsafe militias roaming around like this but so far this has been an issue in Trump’s red America. In blue America everyone supports black lives matter movement. There is no armed or unarmed resistance to such movements. But the irony is police brutalities on blacks is mostly in Democratic run cities.

    I will be very surprised if Trump wins again. Last time he won because people didn’t take him seriously and didn’t vote especially in 4 key swing states. This time it should be different.

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    I agree religion trumps education. Karachi is fairly metropolitan city. It has money but there conditions are systematically getting worse for last few years. In Mustafa Kamal days Karachi was better than Lahore. Sharifs spent more money on Lahore than Karachi and PPP never takes Karachi’s governance or for that matter any governance serious. Now electricity, water, severage, roads everything is on decline.  Based on track record the recent 1100B project looks lip service, hope I am wrong.

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    Re: Sea of people in anti-shia rally jolts Karachi

    Shirazi sahib What is the definition of education. As respected Unsafe sahib has pointed out what is imparted as education could be a propaganda. By the way Karachi has a population of 22 million or so. It has people from all of the country with al sort of backgrounds, ideologies or lack of ideologies and political base. I have seen almost all school of thoughts and political and non political powers assembling thousands of people to demonstrate their power. In my opinion, when it comes to religion, education or lack of it doesn’t matter in our nook of the woods. In my opinion, Karachi has many of the similar issues as other parts of the country and one different issue. It has very little local presence in the governmental for other government affairs. Well one can also argue that when it comes to federal government, one doesn’t know if there is any representation of the (s)elected political party or not. unsafe sahib

    جے بھائی اپ نے پوائنٹ سمجھ لیا .. کراچی کے ساتھ ساتھ ملک میں … تعلیم تباہ ہو چکی ہے معشیت تباہ ہو چکی روشیوں کا شہر تاریکوں کا شہر بن جچکا ہے .. .. پاپا جونز اینڈ کمپنی اور اسٹیبلشمنٹ ہمیشہ سے ملک میں لسانیت و فرقہ واریت سمیت مذہبی انتہاپسندی کو اپنی بقا کیلئے بطور ڈھا استعمال کرتی آئی ہے … جب بھی جرنیلوں کے احتساب کی بات آتی وہ ملک میں کوئی ایسا ڈرامہ لگواتے ہیں …
    پینے کے لیے پانی نہیں بجلی نہیں صحت نہیں عورتوں اور بچے بچیوں کی عزت محفوظ نہیں ہے مسجدوں اور محلوں میں انسان کے بچے تو انسان کے بچے ، بلی اور جانور کے بچے بھی محفوظ نہیں .. اور ایک پروبگنڈہ تعلیم سے ایک غیر ضروری مسلے کو اجاگر کی گیا ہے تا کہ لوگ اپنے حقیقی مسائل بھول اور پاپا جونز اینڈ کمپنی اور اسٹیبلشمنٹ سے انصاف کو بھول جایں

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    Re: Sea of people in anti-shia rally jolts Karachi

    @JMP bhai I agree religion trumps education. Karachi is fairly metropolitan city. It has money but there conditions are systematically getting worse for last few years. In Mustafa Kamal days Karachi was better than Lahore. Sharifs spent more money on Lahore than Karachi and PPP never takes Karachi’s governance or for that matter any governance serious. Now electricity, water, severage, roads everything is on decline. Based on track record the recent 1100B project looks lip service, hope I am wrong.

    Shirazi sahib

    thanks.  Sorry I didn’t mean that religion trumps education. What I meant is that in our environment religion is considered supreme by a vast majority regardless of their background or education or lack of it.

    I don’t mind people following their faith but the problem is that people are not following their respective faith. They are following the propoganda spewed by those with vested interests whether it is in the form of religion, patriotism,  or supremacy of one sex over other.

    Karachi’s issues are much deeper than just roads or drainage or water, in my opinion.

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