How should Pakistanis get their Rights

[Anjaan]

#1

Zaidi Sahib, In response to one of my posts, made an observation that I was more concerned about the sanctity of the Forum than the goings on in Pakistan.

I just want to say that if only individuals in Pakistan preserved the sanctity of the organisations they worked for, Pakistan would not be in the turmoil that it is in now.

I must do my little bit.

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[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#2

Mr. Anjan Sahib:

My response was in reply to your post under a thread which was opened by M Hafeez and is about a newly introduced section in the law which will punish those who dare to speak out against any member of the armed forces or security agencies. Its sort of ironic that no punishment has yet to be meted out to those who are the member of these security agencies for breaching their part of the oath and the punishment they deserve written in the Constitution .

This is not the first time that such a lunatic and absurd piece of legislation introduced in Pakistan . What it has to do with the actions of those law abiding citizens who always respect and abide the existing laws , yet always see the powerful transgress any law and get away with it for the last 70 years . You can preserve the sanctity of any organization , hang yourself upside down , you will still not able to force any of the power full lobby and people associated with those lobbies to abide the existing laws in the country. Unless you gather the same or more power and clash with these forces for the ultimate war.  Sometimes , the rights need to be snatched instead of requested.

[Anjaan]

#3

Zaidi wrote:

Mr. Anjan Sahib: My response was in reply to your post under a thread which was opened by M Hafeez and is about a newly introduced section in the law which will punish those who dare to speak out against any member of the armed forces or security agencies. Its sort of ironic that no punishment has yet to be meted out to those who are the member of these security agencies for breaching their part of the oath and the punishment they deserve written in the Constitution . This is not the first time that such a lunatic and absurd piece of legislation introduced in Pakistan . What it has to do with the actions of those law abiding citizens who always respect and abide the existing laws , yet always see the powerful transgress any law and get away with it for the last 70 years . You can preserve the sanctity of any organization , hang yourself upside down , you will still not able to force any of the power full lobby and people associated with those lobbies to abide the existing laws in the country. Unless you gather the same or more power and clash with these forces for the ultimate war. Sometimes , the rights need to be snatched instead of requested.

“the rights need to be snatched instead of requested.”

Rights should not need to be snatched or requested. Rights should be given.

Zaidi Sahib

I love Pakistan  despite its ups and downs and it hurts when I look around the world and read about the achievements of the countries which were far behind Pakistan and now have gone ahead of Pakistan.

I have thought of the solution many a times but before solutions one must know what are we trying to solve.  In this situation the fundamental  problem from which all other problems emanate is “People’s apathy”.   They just accept every situation. The vast majority does not appreciate the value and power of their vote. The People do not cast their vote wisely. They do not assess the politicians who ask them for their vote. Result is that they end up sending inappropriate politicians to Parliaments.

70 years have gone and it might take another 70 to correct the situation. A process of educating (not, school, college) the public and making them aware of their rights and their responsibility. It is a long and arduous process but the process has to be started.

PS

My comment on Hafeez Sahib was just to highlight that unless a source is given, the post will not attract readers. There are plenty of online shows/tvs/You Tube accounts who put some sensational news online.

• This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by Anjaan.

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#4

I think Title of topic should be Mercenary Zaidi Vs Two face Anjaan

[Zaidi]

#5

unsafe wrote:

I think Title of topic should be Mercenary Zaidi Vs Two face Anjaan

Its terribly sad that you can’t change the title of the thread.  Can you positively contribute instead of mocking my mercenary getup . 

• This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by Zaidi.

[Zaidi]

#6

Anjaan wrote:

“the rights need to be snatched instead of requested.” Rights should not need to be snatched or requested. Rights should be given. Zaidi Sahib I love Pakistan despite its ups and downs and it hurts when I look around the world and read about the achievements of the countries which were far behind Pakistan and now have gone ahead of Pakistan. I have thought of the solution many a times but before solutions one must know what are we trying to solve. In this situation the fundamental problem from which all other problems emanate is “People’s apathy”. They just accept every situation. The vast majority does not appreciate the value and power of their vote. The People do not cast their vote wisely. They do not assess the politicians who ask them for their vote. Result is that they end up sending inappropriate politicians to Parliaments. 70 years have gone and it might take another 70 to correct the situation. A process of educating (not, school, college) the public and making them aware of their rights and their responsibility. It is a long and arduous process but the process has to be started. PS My comment on Hafeez Sahib was just to highlight that unless a source is given, the post will not attract readers. There are plenty of online shows/tvs/You Tube accounts who put some sensational news online.

Anjan Sahib, Sometime , it is the only way to leverage yourself and proclaim what is inherently yours and you have been deprived of it .  It is widely known that rights should be given , but that is for the rest of the world. I have no hesitation to admit that our nation is a nation of complaisant. Lazy as hell and boaster as pathetic. Unwilling to fight for their rights and horrifically pleased with the power holders .

What you think a bunch of coward feather, abnormal psychopathic crowd of gutless people will achieve ?  Why would someone even bother to compare them with the rest of the world ?  Its a pretty fashionable to claim your patriotic feelings and your love for the mother land . However, It takes a lot to pinpoint the fault lines and present solution to resolve the chronic problems of unbecoming a nation . My  criticism is to those who are responsible for our demise as a nation, for those who fed us BS historic propaganda and turned us  in to a nation of mindless chickens . To restore our dignity, our rights and our affiliation to the right from wrong, we must stand up and be counted , or stay as rotten as we are …

• This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by Zaidi. Reason: recap

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#7

“To restore our dignity, our rights and our affiliation to the right from wrong, we must stand up and be counted , or stay as rotten as we are …”

Zaidi Sahib

” Bloody Revolution” are the words which immediately come to mind. But, at what cost? I hate to think of that.

In an ideal world, I would like people in one part of the country (say, Karachi) to stand together and fight for their rights, in a forceful but peaceful manner. I have no doubt that if the actions are well thought out, properly planned and directed in an efficient manner, they will bring about a peaceful revolution.

And then this template can be used for the rest of the country.

[Zaidi]

#8

Anjaan wrote:

“To restore our dignity, our rights and our affiliation to the right from wrong, we must stand up and be counted , or stay as rotten as we are …” Zaidi Sahib ” Bloody Revolution” are the words which immediately come to mind. But, at what cost? I hate to think of that. In an ideal world, I would like people in one part of the country (say, Karachi) to stand together and fight for their rights, in a forceful but peaceful manner. I have no doubt that if the actions are well thought out, properly planned and directed in an efficient manner, they will bring about a peaceful revolution. And then this template can be used for the rest of the country.

Bloody Revolution … Are you scared of the word ? Would you rather let these leeches suck your blood over the time ? I knew that it would be a mountain of a trouble even for someone who is sitting thousand miles apart from the country when the meaning of real turner is spoken. Karachi can try, so as the others . Do you really think it would move  anyone from their sordid actions just because the people start to pelt the polis ? These Haram Khor wouldn’t mind scarifying some old farts in their force to claim Shahada. Nosir no. It wouldn’t happen.Unless some souls ready to bleed some real blood .  That off these leeches …..which are swelled up with the blood of others…

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#9

Zaidi wrote:

Bloody Revolution … Are you scared of the word ? Would you rather let these leeches suck your blood over the time ? I knew that it would be a mountain of a trouble even for someone who is sitting thousand miles apart from the country when the meaning of real turner is spoken. Karachi can try, so as the others . Do you really think it would move anyone from their sordid actions just because the people start to pelt the polis ? These Haram Khor wouldn’t mind scarifying some old farts in their force to claim Shahada. Nosir no. It wouldn’t happen.Unless some souls ready to bleed some real blood . That off these leeches …..which are swelled up with the blood of others…

He is scared a lot, because he is “bezarar Makhlooq” he believes in love with original ID and cyber revolution by multiple IDs. He is modern Pakistani V- for Vendeta. He picked IDs instead of pen or gun and tortured so many people who comes in his path.

[BlackSheepParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#10

unsafe wrote:

He is scared a lot, because he is “bezarar Makhlooq” he believes in love with original ID and cyber revolution by multiple IDs. He is modern Pakistani V- for Vendeta. He picked IDs instead of pen or gun and tortured so many people who comes in his path.

ایک طرف زیدی بگ باس جیسے مَرسنری ہوں، دوسری طرف انجانی ملٹی پل آئی ڈیز کا ریشمی جال ہو تو انقلاب کا کونے کھدروں سے بچ کر نکل جانا مشکل ہی نہیں ناممکن ہے۔۔۔۔۔

اب انقلاب لاکھ کوشش کرلے وہ کہیں بھاگ کر نہیں جاسکتا۔۔۔۔۔

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[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#11

unsafe wrote:

He is scared a lot, because he is “bezarar Makhlooq” he believes in love with original ID and cyber revolution by multiple IDs. He is modern Pakistani V- for Vendeta. He picked IDs instead of pen or gun and tortured so many people who comes in his path.

I don’t know much about him or his fake Ids. However, One thing I know for sure that those who want to change the system , can’t have it by just sitting , writing on this forum or any other forum . There is a practical work needed to be done . If the system change was so easy, it would have been done by now with so many posts and words. Lets also admit that , we are all just soldiers of words and cyber nuties. Eager to make change yet unwilling to sacrifice.

[unsafeParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#12

Zaidi wrote:

I don’t know much about him or his fake Ids. However, One thing I know for sure that those who want to change the system , can’t have it by just sitting , writing on this forum or any other forum . There is a practical work needed to be done . If the system change was so easy, it would have been done by now with so many posts and words. Lets also admit that , we are all just soldiers of words and cyber nuties. Eager to make change yet unwilling to sacrifice.

Dear Zaidi, social media is producing mummy daddy children what could you expect from them who knows what could become of them. They are no match for a tough  mercenary like you. The two face anjaan tried to compete but when you introduce the bloody revolution he is gone to thin air with his all multiple IDs.

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#13

unsafe wrote:

Dear Zaidi, social media is producing mummy daddy children what could you expect from them who knows what could become of them. They are no match for a tough mercenary like you. The two face anjaan tried to compete but when you introduce the bloody revolution he is gone to thin air with his all multiple IDs.

منہ تے اینج کھولدے نے جیویں منج پا کردی اے ، پر دانے اپنے بچائ رکھدے نے ۔

[Ghost Protocol]

#14

Zaidi wrote:

 Would you rather let these leeches suck your blood over the time ? 

Zaidi wrote:

Unless some souls ready to bleed some real blood . 

Zaidi  Bhai Sahib,

Count me in when you decide to lead.

• This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by Ghost Protocol.

[BlackSheep]

#15

unsafe wrote:

They are no match for a tough mercenary like you.

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• This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by BlackSheep.

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#16

Ghost Protocol wrote:

Zaidi Bhai Sahib,

Count me in when you decide to lead.

Bhai Ghost Sahib:

Send me your resume, Please.  We need some tough guys who can beat the sh… out of these Khakis on higher positions . I ,along with Bawa Ji, busy going through resumes for the Job. I have yet to see  Black sheep and Unsafe brother co interested ….. They may not believe in sacrifices, since Black sheep has lot of unpleasant memories associated with it  .

[BlackSheep]

#17

Zaidi wrote:

Send me your resume, Please. We need some tough guys who can beat the sh… out of these Khakis on higher positions . 

ہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہا۔۔۔۔۔۔

شاید آپ کے علم میں نہ ہو مگر اپنے حق پرست صاحب نے بھی اب پاکستانی قوم کیلئے سابقہ قوم کی ترکیب استعمال کرنا شروع کردی ہے۔۔۔۔۔

البتہ آپ کا کفر ابھی تک نہیں ٹوٹا ہے۔۔۔۔۔ آپ ابھی تک ہاتھ میں کینیڈین پاسپورٹ پکڑ کر پاکستانی قوم کے شانہ بشانہ کھڑے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔

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Zaidi wrote:

Bhai Ghost Sahib: Send me your resume, Please. We need some tough guys who can beat the sh… out of these Khakis on higher positions . I ,along with Bawa Ji, busy going through resumes for the Job.

عزاداراں دی اَیہہ کمپنی چلدی نظر نئیں آندی۔۔۔۔۔

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• This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by BlackSheep.

[unsafeParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#18

Zaidi wrote:

Bhai Ghost Sahib: Send me your resume, Please. We need some tough guys who can beat the sh… out of these Khakis on higher positions . I ,along with Bawa Ji, busy going through resumes for the Job. I have yet to see Black sheep and Unsafe brother co interested ….. They may not believe in sacrifices, since Black sheep has lot of unpleasant memories associated with it .

Bawa ji, an old kartoos is also member of your inqalab, from which side he is tough. Dont ruin your inqalab. He will start randi rona in beginning of your inqalab by seeing me.

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#19

unsafe wrote:

Bawa ji, an old kartoos is also member of your inqalab, from which side he is tough. Dont ruin your inqalab. He will start randi rona in beginning of your inqalab by seeing me.

یہی چراغ جلیں گے تو روشنی ہوگی
تمہارے ہاتھ میں پھر سے وہ خود کہی ہوگی

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#20

BlackSheep wrote:

ہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہاہا۔۔۔۔۔۔ شاید آپ کے علم میں نہ ہو مگر اپنے حق پرست صاحب نے بھی اب پاکستانی قوم کیلئے سابقہ قوم کی ترکیب استعمال کرنا شروع کردی ہے۔۔۔۔۔ البتہ آپ کا کفر ابھی تک نہیں ٹوٹا ہے۔۔۔۔۔ آپ ابھی تک ہاتھ میں کینیڈین پاسپورٹ پکڑ کر پاکستانی قوم کے شانہ بشانہ کھڑے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔ ™© عزاداراں دی اَیہہ کمپنی چلدی نظر نئیں آندی۔۔۔۔۔ ™©

ھر انقلاب کو ایک کیٹالسٹ چاہیے ، تم تو ابھی سے شک میں مبتلا ہو ۔

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