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  • Atif Qazi
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    As always, Patwaris can’t decide whether to sweets or protest after this verdict. :bigsmile:

    آپ یقینا” اپنی ازلی کمزور یادداشت کے سبب یہ مشہور قول فراموش کرچکے ہیں

    خاموشی کی بھی اپنی زبان ہوتی ہے بھئی :bigsmile: ۔

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    کیا میں انصاف اور قانون کی بالا دستی پر یقین رکھتا  ہوں یا اپنی مرضی کے فیصلوں اور اپنے مخالفوں کی سزاؤں کی خواہش کا ہی اسیر ہوں

    جتنی خوشی مجھے اپنے اپنے سیاسی اور غیر سیاسی مخالفین کی حالت زار دیکھ کر ہوتی ہے اتنی تو اپنی پسند کے سیاسی یا غیر سیاسی قوت کی بہتر حالت دیکھ کر نہیں ہوتی

    جیل ، پھانسی ، ملک بدری کا سن کر دل کو جو تسکین ملتی ہے وہ تسکین کسی اور بات میں کہاں ہے

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    کیا میں انصاف اور قانون کی بالا دستی پر یقین رکھتا ہوں یا اپنی مرضی کے فیصلوں اور اپنے مخالفوں کی سزاؤں کی خواہش کا ہی اسیر ہوں

    جتنی خوشی مجھے اپنے اپنے سیاسی اور غیر سیاسی مخالفین کی حالت زار دیکھ کر ہوتی ہے اتنی تو اپنی پسند کے سیاسی یا غیر سیاسی قوت کی بہتر حالت دیکھ کر نہیں ہوتی

    جیل ، پھانسی ، ملک بدری کا سن کر دل کو جو تسکین ملتی ہے وہ تسکین کسی اور بات میں کہاں ہے

    A good and peaceful society is the one where justice prevails and can only be dispensed where the law of the land is respected and applied. I find my “Taskeen” in thinking and loudly saying “PAKISTAN  ZINDABAD”

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    کیا میں انصاف اور قانون کی بالا دستی پر یقین رکھتا ہوں یا اپنی مرضی کے فیصلوں اور اپنے مخالفوں کی سزاؤں کی خواہش کا ہی اسیر ہوں

    جے بھیا،
    چونکہ یہ پھڑکتا ہوا سوال فورم کے مستند منافق کی طرف سے آیا ہے تو ہم نے فورم کے “مستند انجمن مومنین حق پرست” نمائندے کی حیثیت سے درج زیل پریس ریلیز (حالانکہ ٹویٹر کا چلن ہے) جاری کیا ہے “ہاں ہمیں انصاف و قانون کی ایسی ہی سربلندی عزیز ہے کہ جس کے تحت مخالفین کی لاشوں کو بھی گھسیٹ کر چوکوں پر لٹکایا جائے اور ہم سے (مطلب حق) سے ٹکرانے کی قیمت یاد دلائی جائے- ظاہر ہے انصاف کی دیوی کا تیر ہماری طرف آے تو عدلیہ میں اصلاحات کی مہم فرض ہوجاتی ہے”
    آگے پڑھنے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے پریس ریلیز پہلے ہی ریلیز ہو چکا ہے

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    بھٹو ، بگٹی ، بینظیر کی اموات

    محترم الطاف حسین صاحب کی مسلسل جلاوطنی

    محترم میاں نواز شریف صاحب اور محترم مریم صاحبہ کی اسیری ، زرداری کی جیل

    کس کس سیاسی قوت نے ان غیر سیاسی اقدامات کے خلاف احتجاج کیا تھا یا ہے یا کریں گے

    اور آج اگر ایک محکمہ جو اپنے نظم و ضبط اور اپنے محکمے کے شخصیات سے وفاداری کے درمیان کوئی چیز حائل نہیں ہونے دیتا ، اپنے غم اور غصہ کا اظہار کر رہا ہے تو مجھے بہت برا لگ رہا ہے

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    اور آج اگر ایک محکمہ جو اپنے نظم و ضبط اور اپنے محکمے کے شخصیات سے وفاداری کے درمیان کوئی چیز حائل نہیں ہونے دیتا ، اپنے غم اور غصہ کا اظہار کر رہا ہے تو مجھے بہت برا لگ رہا ہے

    In answer to question raised, a statement by the Karachi Bar Association is being re-produced which should be read in detail and comprehended.

    BRAVO KBA

    Karachi Bar Association ‘shocked’ over govt’s defence of Musharraf

    The Karachi Bar Association (KBA) has lashed out at the government for “defending and protecting a convicted criminal”, following the Centre’s decision to appeal a special court’s verdict in the treason case against former army chief retired Gen Pervez Musharraf.

    “The KBA is shocked that the government is solely concerned about defending and protecting a convicted criminal rather than doing its lawful duty to prosecute and punish him,” said a press release by the body, dated December 21.

    “More particularly, the attorney general and law minister and other ministers who are supposed to prosecute a criminal on behalf of the State are defending that criminal rather than supporting the judgment.”

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1523725/karachi-bar-association-shocked-over-govts-defence-of-musharraf

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    For those who do not have time time to read the entire statement by Karachi Bar Association, the core  part of the statement and its’ sentiment is copied as follows:

    “If there are some flaws in the judgement of Musharraf’s case, in the opinion of DG ISPR, then the law has provided, procedure and proper course for agitating such flaws, if any, before the higher judicial forums by way of appeal, revision or constitutional petition but the manner and the way, in which, the judgement of the special court has been criticised by an official of the army clearly gives an impression that all the institutions in Pakistan are subservient to the armed forces, to follow its dictation and there is no respect for any other forum including the judiciary,” said the statement jointly issued by the council’s vice chairman Syed Amjad Shah and chairman of its executive committee Sher Mohammad Khan.”

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    For those who do not have time time to read the entire statement by Karachi Bar Association, the core part of the statement and its’ sentiment is copied as follows: “If there are some flaws in the judgement of Musharraf’s case, in the opinion of DG ISPR, then the law has provided, procedure and proper course for agitating such flaws, if any, before the higher judicial forums by way of appeal, revision or constitutional petition but the manner and the way, in which, the judgement of the special court has been criticised by an official of the army clearly gives an impression that all the institutions in Pakistan are subservient to the armed forces, to follow its dictation and there is no respect for any other forum including the judiciary,” said the statement jointly issued by the council’s vice chairman Syed Amjad Shah and chairman of its executive committee Sher Mohammad Khan.”

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    For those who do not have time time to read the entire statement by Karachi Bar Association, the core part of the statement and its’ sentiment is copied as follows: “If there are some flaws in the judgement of Musharraf’s case, in the opinion of DG ISPR, then the law has provided, procedure and proper course for agitating such flaws, if any, before the higher judicial forums by way of appeal, revision or constitutional petition but the manner and the way, in which, the judgement of the special court has been criticised by an official of the army clearly gives an impression that all the institutions in Pakistan are subservient to the armed forces, to follow its dictation and there is no respect for any other forum including the judiciary,” said the statement jointly issued by the council’s vice chairman Syed Amjad Shah and chairman of its executive committee Sher Mohammad Khan.”

    یہ کراچی بار ایسوسی ایشن کی نہیں بلکہ پاکستان بار کونسل کی پریس ریلیز ہے

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    زیڈ بھائی جی ایک بات تو طے ہے کہ اب جبکہ پاکستان اور بھارت ایٹمی ممالک بن چکے ہیں تو جنگ کشمیر کے مسئلے کا حل نہیں ہے. جنگ سے نہ پاکستان کشمیر فتح کر سکتا ہے اور نہ ہی بھارت. کشمیر لیتے لیتے ہم نے آدھ ملک گنوا دیا ہے اور اب تک بھارت سے چار جنگیں لڑ چکے ہیں اگر کشمیر پر پاکستان اور بھارت میں کوئی ایسی ڈیل ہو جائے جس میں دونوں طرف کے کشمیریوں کو بغیر ویزہ اور پاسپورٹ لائن آف کنٹرول کے آر پار جانے کی اجازت ہو تو کیا یہ دونوں ملکوں کے ساتھ ساتھ کشمیریوں کیلیے بہتر نہیں ہوگا؟ آپکے نزدیک کشمیر کا کیا حل ہے؟ کیا اس مسئلے کو یونہی لٹکائے رکھنا پاکستان، بھارت یا کشمیریوں کے مفاد میں ہے؟ جہاں تک جنرل پرویز مشرف کو سزا دینے کا تعلق ہے تو وہ تو سب جانتے ہیں کہ فوج کے زیر قبضہ پاکستان میں ایسا ممکن نہیں ہے. پاکستان میں تو کوئی فوج کے کتے کو بھی ہاتھ نہیں لگا سکتا ہے، فوج کے ایک سابق سربراہ کو سزا دینا تو بہت دور کی بات ہے اس فیصلے نے فوج کے منہ پر کافی کالک مل دی ہے اور فوجیوں کی چیخیں نکلوا دی ہیں، بس یہی کافی ہے. اب کوئی فوجی سوچ سمجھکر ہی سول حکومت کا تختہ الٹے گا اور آئین سے پنگا لے گا مسلم لیگ نوں اور فوج کی مفاہمت کے بارے میں شنید یہ ہے کہ نواز شریف فی الحال ملک سے باہر رہے گا اور مریم نواز بھی پاکستان سے باہر چلی جائے گی. شہباز شریف واپس آ کر پارٹی چلائے گا اور اسٹبلشمنٹ سے معاملات آگے بڑھائے گا. اس کے بعد نواز شریف چوتھی بار حکومت کرنے واپس آئے گا :bigsmile:

    Yes, I agree with you on Kashmir issue. There is no other solution right now but selling this to the public seems very tricky. What about those strategic assets that were create to penetrate into Kashmir and wage Jihad? What about the so called Azad Kashmir and its status? Will it be a province of Pakistan? Will it be semi autonomous?

    Things have been getting really heated at LOC recently too. There are constant civilian casualties at LoC, unfortunately, Pakistani side of LoC is heavily populated compared to Indian side so we suffer more as a result.

    As far Nawaz Sharif is concerned I think he is out for good. If Shahbaz is going to run affairs in Pakistan than why would he handover all his hard work to Nawaz Sharif upon his return 3 years later?

    Next prime ministerial candidate from PMLN is Shahbaz more likely.

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    Yes, I agree with you on Kashmir issue. There is no other solution right now but selling this to the public seems very tricky. What about those strategic assets that were create to penetrate into Kashmir and wage Jihad? What about the so called Azad Kashmir and its status? Will it be a province of Pakistan? Will it be semi autonomous? Things have been getting really heated at LOC recently too. There are constant civilian casualties at LoC, unfortunately, Pakistani side of LoC is heavily populated compared to Indian side so we suffer more as a result. As far Nawaz Sharif is concerned I think he is out for good. If Shahbaz is going to run affairs in Pakistan than why would he handover all his hard work to Nawaz Sharif upon his return 3 years later? Next prime ministerial candidate from PMLN is Shahbaz more likely.

    بھائی میاں،
    بھارت میں جو انتہا پسند حکومت ہے اسکا اجینڈا تو پی او کے واپس لینے کا ہے.
    ویسے پوچھنا یہ تھا کہ کیا کشمیر میں گھاس وغیرہ اگتی ہے؟

    :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

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    بھائی میاں، بھارت میں جو انتہا پسند حکومت ہے اسکا اجینڈا تو پی او کے واپس لینے کا ہے. ویسے پوچھنا یہ تھا کہ کیا کشمیر میں گھاس وغیرہ اگتی ہے؟ :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

    More Grass than Karachi!

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    In answer to question raised, a statement by the Karachi Bar Association is being re-produced which should be read in detail and comprehended. BRAVO KBA Karachi Bar Association ‘shocked’ over govt’s defence of Musharraf The Karachi Bar Association (KBA) has lashed out at the government for “defending and protecting a convicted criminal”, following the Centre’s decision to appeal a special court’s verdict in the treason case against former army chief retired Gen Pervez Musharraf. “The KBA is shocked that the government is solely concerned about defending and protecting a convicted criminal rather than doing its lawful duty to prosecute and punish him,” said a press release by the body, dated December 21. “More particularly, the attorney general and law minister and other ministers who are supposed to prosecute a criminal on behalf of the State are defending that criminal rather than supporting the judgment.” https://www.dawn.com/news/1523725/karachi-bar-association-shocked-over-govts-defence-of-musharraf

    Mujahid sahib

    Thank you Sir.

    It was my feeble attempt to be critical of  the reaction from the army as well as reaction from the democratic forces to the reaction from the army.

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    Mujahid sahib Thank you Sir. It was my feeble attempt to be critical of the reaction from the army as well as reaction from the democratic forces to the reaction from the army.

    They both cannot be right, can they?

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    They both cannot be right, can they?

    Mujahid sahib

    Thanks. In my opinion both are wrong. The armed forces should have come forward to accept and support the judgement and the political forces should have not criticized the criticism from armed forces, as the political forces themselves have for umpteen times criticized the judgements when they were at the receiving end.

    I think the problem is that no one seems to have faith on the impartiality of the justice system. One day some one gets punished on a concocted charges and then after few days the elites get a jail free card by the same judicial system.

    Unless and until judiciary is free, impartial, fair and powerful we will keep on seeing selected justice, selected protest and selected support. This is my humble opinion.

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    JMP

    This is my 3rd attempt to respond. This time I am not quoting your post with the hope that my post will not disappear in thin air.

    I believe that Armed forces should not have done anything and should have addressed their dissatisfaction with the judgement through prescribed procedure. Armed forces in my opinion were not a part to the case as it was Government vs a former employee of the armed forces.

    Politicians’ reacted to the DG ISPR’s unfortunate statement.

    Your comment about lack of trust in the judicial system is spot on which can  be restored only by the judiciary and not by DG ISPR.

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    بھائی میاں، بھارت میں جو انتہا پسند حکومت ہے اسکا اجینڈا تو پی او کے واپس لینے کا ہے. ویسے پوچھنا یہ تھا کہ کیا کشمیر میں گھاس وغیرہ اگتی ہے؟ :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

    Here is Bharat Bhushan describing what India intends to achieve by involving POK or AJK .

    As far as grass in AJK is concerned, it has a lot of it, otherwise India/Pak wouldn’t be fighting over it.

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