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[ShiraziParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#2

Establishment has used mullahs time and again,  be it East Pakistan, Afghan Jihad or Kashmir Jihad but whenever these sellout Mullahs challenged establishment they saw the wrath of military – Lal Masjid, Swat, Waziristan operations, even when Khadam Rizvi and Peer Subari said COAS, CJP & PM should be hanged after Aysia BB was released he was arrested right away and when released he lost all his flamboyance. Saad Rizvi will be dealt in similar fashion. Not just establishment even IK said his workers wanted to join TLP sit-in. Sheela Tuli declared mullah Umar or some other crap Ameer ul Momaneen, called called Salaman Tabeer’s murderer Ghazi.

What goes around comes around.

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#3

قائد اعظم پاکستان بنا کر چلے گئے، اس مشن میں ان کے دائیں بائیں جو چہرے دکھای دیتے تھے وہ وفات قائد کے عین بعد غائب ہوگئے اور انکی جگہ جن چہروں نے لی ان کے بارے میں اپنے عاطف قاضی کوئٹوی کا مشہور شعر ہے

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منزل انہیں ملی جو شریک سفر نہ تھے

[ShiraziParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#4

Jinnah himself wasn’t very shrewd politician, he was all over the place, wanted secular Pakistan when he demanded the country on the basis of religion. He couldn’t have handled military establishment any better.

[Awan]

#5

Shirazi wrote:

Jinnah himself wasn’t very shrewd politician, he was all over the place, wanted secular Pakistan when he demanded the country on the basis of religion. He couldn’t have handled military establishment any better.

جی یہ درست ہے قائد اعظم اگر پاکستان بننے کے چار پانچ سال زندہ رہتے تو ممکن ہے پاکستان میں جمہوریت جڑ پکڑ لیتی اور فوج کو شروع سے سازشیں کرنے کا موقع نہ ملتا اور ممکن ہے کوئی مارشل لاء بھی نہ لگتا – اگر پاکستان شروع سے امریکہ کی گود میں نہ بیٹھتا تو ممکن ہے پاکستان محاشی طور پر اپنے پاؤں پر کھڑے ہو کر آج بہت بہتر ہوتا – بھٹو اگر ملک سے بھاگ جاتا تو اس کے کارکن اس کی پھانسی کے بھد دل نہ ہارتے یوں مارشل لاء نہ لگتا، نہ مذہبی شدت پسندی آتی اور نہ ہم امریکہ کی پہلی جنگ لڑتے – اس وقت آبادی کافی کم تھی ہم امریکی ڈالروں کے نہ ہوتے ممکن ہے اپنے پاؤں پر کھڑے ہوتے -بھٹو جلد پاکستان آ جاتا اور جمہوریت مظبوط ہوتی یوں آگے جا کر کسی کو بھی مارشل لاء لگانے کی ہمت نہ ہوتی – مارشل لاء نہ ہونے سے شاید ملک بھی نا ٹوٹتا – اگر نائن الیون کے وقت ملک کے اندر جمہوریت ہوتی تو ایسے ہم امریکہ کے سامنے نہ لیٹتے – یوں قائد اعظم کا جلد فوت ہونا، بھٹو کی پھانسی ،نائن الیون اور اس دوران ملک میں مارشل لاء ہونا ، ملک کا دو ٹکرے ہونا اور دو مارشل لاء نے پاکستان کو بہت نقصان پوھنچایا – کاش یہ سب نہ ہوتے تو آج یہ ملک بہت مختلف ہوتا

Bawa

Atif Qazi

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Zaidi

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• This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by Awan.

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The Quaid-e-Azam and the entire Muslim League were in favor of British slavery, their demand was simple, the British, rule in India. or if you want to go then divide Pakistan, Quaid himself exclaimed many times that Muslims are happy in British Salvery and  Salvery of other arabic / turk nations but we just hate our own race i.e Hindu and we feel happy to betray our own kind. We cannot live with our own kind i.e Hindus. Quaid-e-Azam and his associates never fought against English slavery.

[BlackSheep]

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unsafe wrote:

The Quaid-e-Azam and the entire Muslim League were in favor of British slavery, their demand was simple, the British, rule in India. or if you want to go then divide Pakistan, Quaid himself exclaimed many times that Muslims are happy in British Salvery and Salvery of other arabic / turk nations but we just hate our own race i.e Hindu and we feel happy to betray our own kind. We cannot live with our own kind i.e Hindus. Quaid-e-Azam and his associates never fought against English slavery.

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• This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by BlackSheep.

[ShiraziParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#8

Awan wrote:

جی یہ درست ہے قائد اعظم اگر پاکستان بننے کے چار پانچ سال زندہ رہتے تو ممکن ہے پاکستان میں جمہوریت جڑ پکڑ لیتی اور فوج کو شروع سے سازشیں کرنے کا موقع نہ ملتا اور ممکن ہے کوئی مارشل لاء بھی نہ لگتا – اگر پاکستان شروع سے امریکہ کی گود میں نہ بیٹھتا تو ممکن ہے پاکستان محاشی طور پر اپنے پاؤں پر کھڑے ہو کر آج بہت بہتر ہوتا – بھٹو اگر ملک سے بھاگ جاتا تو اس کے کارکن اس کی پھانسی کے بھد دل نہ ہارتے یوں مارشل لاء نہ لگتا، نہ مذہبی شدت پسندی آتی اور نہ ہم امریکہ کی پہلی جنگ لڑتے – اس وقت آبادی کافی کم تھی ہم امریکی ڈالروں کے نہ ہوتے ممکن ہے اپنے پاؤں پر کھڑے ہوتے -بھٹو جلد پاکستان آ جاتا اور جمہوریت مظبوط ہوتی یوں آگے جا کر کسی کو بھی مارشل لاء لگانے کی ہمت نہ ہوتی – مارشل لاء نہ ہونے سے شاید ملک بھی نا ٹوٹتا – اگر نائن الیون کے وقت ملک کے اندر جمہوریت ہوتی تو ایسے ہم امریکہ کے سامنے نہ لیٹتے – یوں قائد اعظم کا جلد فوت ہونا، بھٹو کی پھانسی ،نائن الیون اور اس دوران ملک میں مارشل لاء ہونا ، ملک کا دو ٹکرے ہونا اور دو مارشل لاء نے پاکستان کو بہت نقصان پوھنچایا – کاش یہ سب نہ ہوتے تو آج یہ ملک بہت مختلف ہوتا Bawa Atif Qazi Believer12 Zaidi Sohraab

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[ShiraziParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#9

unsafe wrote:

The Quaid-e-Azam and the entire Muslim League were in favor of British slavery, their demand was simple, the British, rule in India. or if you want to go then divide Pakistan, Quaid himself exclaimed many times that Muslims are happy in British Salvery and Salvery of other arabic / turk nations but we just hate our own race i.e Hindu and we feel happy to betray our own kind. We cannot live with our own kind i.e Hindus. Quaid-e-Azam and his associates never fought against English slavery.

Jinnah was establishment (British then)puppy. The true follower of Jinnah are people like Sheikh Rasheed, Ch Shujhat and Ch. Nisar.

[Zaidi]

#10

unsafe wrote:

The Quaid-e-Azam and the entire Muslim League were in favor of British slavery, their demand was simple, the British, rule in India. or if you want to go then divide Pakistan, Quaid himself exclaimed many times that Muslims are happy in British Salvery and Salvery of other arabic / turk nations but we just hate our own race i.e Hindu and we feel happy to betray our own kind. We cannot live with our own kind i.e Hindus. Quaid-e-Azam and his associates never fought against English slavery.

Isn’t this strange that after Modi’s experience, you still blame Muslims of the subcontinents for looking after safe heaven ?  Anyone who still had doubts about the real purpose of a separate state from the Majority Hindu dominance , should now be pretty much satisfied after watching how Modi has been able to provide a practical excuse/reason . Even though the Jinnah and the rest of the company may very well be British poodles but they were able to achieve something very precious for the Muslims. Hasta la vista.

• This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by Zaidi.

[AwanParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#11

Shirazi wrote:

Jinnah was establishment (British then)puppy. The true follower of Jinnah are people like Sheikh Rasheed, Ch Shujhat and Ch. Nisar.

شیرازی صاحب کسی کو تو بخش دیں – وضاحت کریں کن باتوں کی وجہ سے آپ کو لگا قائد اعظم برٹش پپٹ تھے ؟

[AwanParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#12

unsafe wrote:

The Quaid-e-Azam and the entire Muslim League were in favor of British slavery, their demand was simple, the British, rule in India. or if you want to go then divide Pakistan, Quaid himself exclaimed many times that Muslims are happy in British Salvery and Salvery of other arabic / turk nations but we just hate our own race i.e Hindu and we feel happy to betray our own kind. We cannot live with our own kind i.e Hindus. Quaid-e-Azam and his associates never fought against English slavery.

Are you kidding or serious?

[Shirazi]

#13

• Awan wrote:

شیرازی صاحب کسی کو تو بخش دیں – وضاحت کریں کن باتوں کی وجہ سے آپ کو لگا قائد اعظم برٹش پپٹ تھے ؟

Politics is all about taking on mighty establishment. The interests of establishment never aligns with populace, just the nature of politics in any era. Any populist leader who claims to represent the sentiment and causes of masses has to raffle feathers with establishment. If they don’t they are pursuing the policy of Hussain say bhi dosti aur Yazeed ko bhi salam, that’s  what Nisar, Sheikh Rasheed, Shujhat and your favorite Shahbaz are doing. Jinnah was no different. How much time did he spend in jail like these current establishment puppies?

• This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by Shirazi.

[ShiraziParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#14

Awan wrote:

Are you kidding or serious?

He is not and that’s perhaps one of the reason Pak sees military rules and India doesn’t. Muslim League wasn’t a true political party.

[unsafeParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#15

Zaidi wrote:

Isn’t this strange that after Modi’s experience, you still blame Muslims of the subcontinents for looking after safe heaven ? Anyone who still had doubts about the real purpose of a separate state from the Majority Hindu dominance , should now be pretty much satisfied after watching how Modi has been able to provide a practical excuse/reason . Even though the Jinnah and the rest of the company may very well be British poodles but they were able to achieve something very precious for the Muslims. Hasta la vista.

Dear Mercenary Zaidi, Modi’s hate is just another army propaganda. Like Qauid e Azam used hindu hate to help Britisher in they policy of Divide & Rule. You will be happy to know Pakistanis hate Nehru, Gandhi, Patel, Shastri, Indira Gandhi as much as they hate Modi, Modi extremism is an excuse to rule Pakistani people and get vote.
This society, this country, this state, they are being used in the name of Hindu hate.. You are also being used. Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated while helping Pakistan. Show me a good word about Gandhi ..

Do you think your country ruled by Army directly or indirectly is a safe heaven?

[unsafeParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#16

Modi and extremists in hindus is product of Quaid-e-Azam’s ideology and bristism nationalism “divide and conquerer”. i.e.’There are two nations in the subcontinent, they are enemies of each other, they can’t live together’

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#17

unsafe wrote:

Dear Mercenary Zaidi, Modi’s hate is just another army propaganda. Like Qauid e Azam used hindu hate to help Britisher in they policy of Divide & Rule. You will be happy to know Pakistanis hate Nehru, Gandhi, Patel, Shastri, Indira Gandhi as much as they hate Modi, Modi extremism is an excuse to rule Pakistani people and get vote. This society, this country, this state, they are being used in the name of Hindu hate.. You are also being used. Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated while helping Pakistan. Show me a good word about Gandhi .. Do you think your country ruled by Army directly or indirectly is a safe heaven?

The unsafe sahib. Your ideas are applauded. But I am not sure if the so called ” Propaganda” against the most humankind person like Modi will have any effect on me. What is going on right now in our neighbour country and people in Kashmir should not have any relevance to the people of Pakistan . As a matter of fact, this world has never seen such a compassionate, humanitarian , God seeking human being like Modi before. I agree with you , it is all filthy propaganda of the armed forces and its mercenaries against the kind and loving Modi , which I shouldn’t be talking. Instead our attention should be diverted to the most heinous and criminal minds of Jinnah and his poodles.. Right ? 

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#18

unsafe wrote:

Modi and extremists in hindus is product of Quaid-e-Azam’s ideology and bristism nationalism “divide and conquerer”. i.e.’There are two nations in the subcontinent, they are enemies of each other, they can’t live together’

Absolutely spot on , no one can oversee the efforts of Modi of utilizing it . I think we should take the Jinnah out of his grave and dress him down for leaving something like Modi Behind. Poor soul Modi, people blame him without any just cause.  …. He is only following , others are the real culprits…

[ShiraziParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#19

Modi may not be most kind or humanitarian but is definitely God seeking person. Some how our fundoos have problem with their fundoos. He is legitimately elected leader who won two terms and is on course to win third. He is promoting and protecting fundamentalism but so is every leader in Pakistan. Can we blame our leaders for our own religiosity? Revoking article 370 in J&K was his election promise, don’t see anything wrong there.

[unsafeParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#20

Zaidi wrote:

The unsafe sahib. Your ideas are applauded. But I am not sure if the so called ” Propaganda” against the most humankind person like Modi will have any effect on me. What is going on right now in our neighbour country and people in Kashmir should not have any relevance to the people of Pakistan . As a matter of fact, this world has never seen such a compassionate, humanitarian , God seeking human being like Modi before. I agree with you , it is all filthy propaganda of the armed forces and its mercenaries against the kind and loving Modi , which I shouldn’t be talking. Instead our attention should be diverted to the most heinous and criminal minds of Jinnah and his poodles.. Right ?

Dear Zaidi. Jinnah crimes are no doubt greater than modi. He has blood on his hand for million of muslim who died during the partition. He used religion to create a homeland for muslims favoring British… and later in his speech on August 11 after the formation of Pakistan, he tried to take a U-turn to separate religion from state affairs. Due to which he was punished and departed on Khatara ambulance on his last journey. It is a problem that the user of religion think that they will stop using religion when the purpose get fullfilled …but that’s not going to happend … In fact, it is very easy to put religion in something but getting religion out of that thing impossible … but it is impossible to remove someone who is attached . I hope you will not blame Modi extermismist for that

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