CORRUPTION

[Anjaan]

#1

What is corruption?

This word has been banded about in abundance for the last two years. One gets the impression that it is all about money.

It is my personal opinion that most dangerous type of corruption is when a person in a powerful position appoints an incompetent and incapable friend of his in an important position of an organisation. The incompetent appointee bit by bit due to his actions and inactions ends up destroying the organisation.

What is opinion of Members (all 7 of them at the time of going to press)?

• This topic was modified 2 years, 2 months ago by Anjaan.

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#2

 

What is the definition of competent? The one who escapes in hard times or the one who consistently does his best for smoothing the issues?

[Zaidi]

#3

Judge wrote:

What is the definition of competent? The one who escapes in hard times or the one who consistently does his best for smoothing the issues?

What could be the hardest time  in history of Pakistan ?

1) When the country was split, the 93000 soldiers were in enemy prison , the economy was shattered, the country was still in the grip of Martial Law.Constitution was still illusion and the people were desperate ?

 2) When the terrorists were roaming around the country freely. The armed forces personnel were not even able to wear the uniforms in Public. When the 90% of the country had no power, no jobs and no hope. When the biggest city of Pakistan was mired in blood shed everyday. When the American Drones were dropping bombs restlessly. When the businesses were closing down and the people were unemployed ?

Versus

When the economy was at almost 7 % growth. Jobs were abundance ,people were prospered and the economy was booming ?

• This reply was modified 2 years, 2 months ago by Zaidi.

[Ghost ProtocolParticipantOfflineExpert]

#4

Zaidi wrote:

What could be the hardest time in history of Pakistan ?

1) When the country was split, the 93000 soldiers were in enemy prison , the economy was shattered, the country was still in the grip of Martial Law.Constitution was still illusion and the people were desperate ?

2) When the terrorists were roaming around the country freely. The armed forces personnel were not even able to wear the uniforms in Public. When the 9

Versus

When the economy was at almost 7 % growth. Jobs were abundance ,people were prospered and the economy was booming ?

@Zaidi Sahib,

You got it completely wrong.

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#6

Ghost Protocol wrote:

@Zaidi Sahib,

You got it completely wrong.

So, goes the argument. Please tell me where did I go wrong …

[Ghost ProtocolParticipantOfflineExpert]

#8

Zaidi wrote:

So, goes the argument. Please tell me where did I go wrong …

Judge

زیدی صاحب،
تصدیق تو جج صاحب ہی کریں گے مگر جج صاحب کے اس کمنٹ کا پس منظر کچھ اور ہے اور اسکا تعلق کسی بھی طرح میاں صاحب کی اہلیت یا خان صاحب کی نااہلیت نہیں ہے . آپ کی آمد چونکہ کچھ دیر میں ہویی ہے تو آپ کو شائد اس پس منظر کا اندازہ نہیں ہے .

جج صاحب : اگر میں غلط ہوں تو تصحیح فرمادیں

[GeoGParticipantOfflineExpert]

#9

Judge wrote:

What is the definition of competent? The one who escapes in hard times or the one who consistently does his best for smoothing the issues?

جج صاب تسی آویں دل تے لے گیے او

انجان نے اے جگت عاطف نوں نیی لائی

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#10

Ghost Protocol wrote:

Judge زیدی صاحب، تصدیق تو جج صاحب ہی کریں گے مگر جج صاحب کے اس کمنٹ کا پس منظر کچھ اور ہے اور اسکا تعلق کسی بھی طرح میاں صاحب کی اہلیت یا خان صاحب کی نااہلیت نہیں ہے . آپ کی آمد چونکہ کچھ دیر میں ہویی ہے تو آپ کو شائد اس پس منظر کا اندازہ نہیں ہے . جج صاحب : اگر میں غلط ہوں تو تصحیح فرمادیں

معاف کیجیئے گا ،گھوسٹ بھائ ، میں سمجھا آج پھر کسی نے میاں صاحب کی عظمت کوچیلنج اور بھٹو صاحب کی قربانیوں کو رسوا کیا ہے ۔ میں اپنے الفاظ واپس لیتا ہوں ۔ 😅۔

[Ghost ProtocolParticipantOfflineExpert]

#11

Zaidi wrote:

معاف کیجیئے گا ،گھوسٹ بھائ ، میں سمجھا آج پھر کسی نے میاں صاحب کی عظمت کوچیلنج اور بھٹو صاحب کی قربانیوں کو رسوا کیا ہے ۔ میں اپنے الفاظ واپس لیتا ہوں ۔ ۔

[ZaidiParticipantOfflineAdvanced]

#12

If the incompetence of such an appointee is proved time and again, what is the next course of action.

1. Should he voluntarily go OR
2. Should he be dismissed by his friend.

Any thoughts?

It is interesting that you said an appointer (friend in this case) appoints a corrupt/incompetence appointee. . What do you think about that appointer ? Is he/or/she is not corrupt/incompetent ?  If he/she is not corrupt/incompetent,a corrupt/incompetent appointee is never going to be appointed .  And if the appointer himself/herself is corrupt/incompetent , then why blame the appointee ?   And why ask for the resignation ?  And why the friend will sack that person ? 

[AnjaanParticipantOfflineThread StarterProfessional]

#13

Zaidi wrote:

It is interesting that you said an appointer (friend in this case) appoints a corrupt/incompetence appointee. . What do you think about that appointer ? Is he/or/she is not corrupt/incompetent ? If he/she is not corrupt/incompetent,a corrupt/incompetent appointee is never going to be appointed . And if the appointer himself/herself is corrupt/incompetent , then why blame the appointee ? And why ask for the resignation ? And why the friend will sack that person ?

An interesting and a fair question Zaidi Sahib.

The best way I can answer is to give example of Pakistan and Imran khan. I used to be a fan of Imran both as a cricketer and a Pre-Pm Politician. I together with millions including himself knew that he had no experience of running a country but had confidence in him that he will learn quickly. To date I don’t doubt that he has  best interest of Pakistan at heart and his intentions are good. But time and again by making bad appointments and not quickly learning from bad decisions he has proved (at least to me ) that he is a well meaning but incompetent Prime Minister.

I hope I have answered your question.

[Zaidi]

#14

Anjaan wrote:

An interesting and a fair question Zaidi Sahib. The best way I can answer is to give example of Pakistan and Imran khan. I used to be a fan of Imran both as a cricketer and a Pre-Pm Politician. I together with millions including himself knew that he had no experience of running a country but had confidence in him that he will learn quickly. To date I don’t doubt that he has best interest of Pakistan at heart and his intentions are good. But time and again by making bad appointments and not quickly learning from bad decisions he has proved (at least to me ) that he is a well meaning but incompetent Prime Minister. I hope I have answered your question.

I appreciate your response and I think it is quite appropriate to take an example of the present ruler IK. Just like you, many years ago, when I first joined the Siasat.pk, I was strong supporter of IK. I supported him during the turmoil years of 2009 when the Siasat.pk were packed with MQM and AH supporters …   And Just like you , I have been very vocal supporting a system change in Pakistan and I thought that IK would do that since he showed his sincerity towards the people of Pakistan , his stance against non stop American drones attacks in Pakistan and brutal killing of our tribal peoples in the name of security by our own armed forces .  I was mentally disturbed many months after learning the massacre of innocent students in one of the Madrasas operating in the poor neighbour hood of tribal area. However, I got a hunt very early ,right in the beginning when he started to induct the turncoats and Lotas in to his party . I knew, right then and there , that he is a sold out soul. And my analysis were proven right later on when he showed no remorse to make a wide u turn and tried to justify going against his own words.. The rest is the history. He is narcissist , egotistical person and I don’t think he is suitable for politics. His stubborn ruined the Punjab province and he is out of touch with the reality and the state of the common men in Pakistan .

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[JMPParticipantOfflineProfessional]

#13

In my humble opinion incompetence is worse than corruption and appointing incompetent people is definitely, in my opinion,  something that can harm more than corruption.

Anjaan sahib has “This word has been banded about in abundance for the last two years”. I think this word has been used a lot and very successfully by many during last 30 to 35 years and has been used to dismiss governments, malign opponents and to gain power. it seems that religion and corruption have a very high sentimental value for Pakistanis and as such we tend to follow anyone who lures us with these two words.

Competency, it seems, is not as important for us.

[AnjaanParticipantOfflineThread StarterProfessional]

#14

JMP wrote:

In my humble opinion incompetence is worse than corruption and appointing incompetent people is definitely, in my opinion, something that can harm more than corruption. Anjaan sahib has “This word has been banded about in abundance for the last two years”. I think this word has been used a lot and very successfully by many during last 30 to 35 years and has been used to dismiss governments, malign opponents and to gain power. it seems that religion and corruption have a very high sentimental value for Pakistanis and as such we tend to follow anyone who lures us with these two words. Competency, it seems, is not as important for us.

Jay Sahib

I will respond in a minute

[Anjaan]

#15

Deletion of the Post

Browsing through the thread just now, I noticed that my post (No 5) in which I had provided definition of “Competent”.

has been deleted. For the benefit of the questioner

I will oblige again.

Someone had asked the definition of Competent. The dictionary defines a competent person to be :

“having the necessary ability, knowledge, or skill to do something successfully”

A person who keeps trying to do it and do not give up, is admirable but is not competent.

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[AnjaanParticipantOfflineThread StarterProfessional]

#16

JMP wrote:

In my humble opinion incompetence is worse than corruption and appointing incompetent people is definitely, in my opinion, something that can harm more than corruption. Anjaan sahib has “This word has been banded about in abundance for the last two years”. I think this word has been used a lot and very successfully by many during last 30 to 35 years and has been used to dismiss governments, malign opponents and to gain power. it seems that religion and corruption have a very high sentimental value for Pakistanis and as such we tend to follow anyone who lures us with these two words. Competency, it seems, is not as important for us.

I will be very bold (stupid) and say that Pakistanis are easily lured towards Religion and Corruption because they are Corrupt and Not Religious.

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