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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    کچھ یوں ہی لگتا ہے

    آپ کی موجودگی ضروری ہے کیونکہ فورم نزع کی حالت میں ہے .
    عوان صاحب نے بھی لکھا ہے

    کوئی باوا اور عاطف بھائی سے درخواست کر دے باقاعدہ آنا شروع کر دیں – اگر وہ آ گئے تو میرا وعدہ ہے میں بھی آنا شروع کر دونگا اور یوں فورم کی رونق بحال ہونے کی کچھ نہ کچھ امید پیدا ہو جائے گی –

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    عاطف صاحب، خیر سے کووڈ ویکسین کے کاروبار میں انتہائ مصروف نظر آتے ہیں ۔ ممکن ہے کہ روسی ساختہ ویکسین کی پہلی کھیپ پاکستان میں عاطف صاحب اور گروپ کی مشترکہ کوششوں کا نتیجہ ہو ۔

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    عاطف صاحب، خیر سے کووڈ ویکسین کے کاروبار میں انتہائ مصروف نظر آتے ہیں ۔ ممکن ہے کہ روسی ساختہ ویکسین کی پہلی کھیپ پاکستان میں عاطف صاحب اور گروپ کی مشترکہ کوششوں کا نتیجہ ہو ۔

    Very sad Zaidi. I don’t know what made you so negative.

    “Atif” wants to provide that vaccine with no profit to his people. I am not permitted to state his charity activities but I am sure you don’t know anything about him.

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    عاطف مالا کنڈ کی پہاڑیوں پر دس روزہ لگانے کے بعد ہی حاضری دے گا

    :serious:

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    طویل غیر حاضری پر بہت معذرت،  خدا کا کرم ہوا کہ اپنا ذاتی مکان بنانے کی توفیق بخشی اس سلسلے میں بالکل فرصت نہیں ملتی کہ یہاں حاضری لگا سکوں البتہ ہر پوسٹ دیکھتا ضرور رہتا ہوں۔ بیچ میں کرونا کی وجہ سے پندرہ بیس دن انتہائی اذیت میں گذرے، الحمداللہ اب میں اور تمام گھر والے صحتیاب ہوچکے ہیں لیکن طوفان گذرنے کے بعد کی تباہ کاریاں بحال ہونے میں کچھ وقت لگے گا۔

    انشاللہ کوشش رہے گی کہ حاضری باقاعدہ لگا سکوں

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    عاطف صاحب، خیر سے کووڈ ویکسین کے کاروبار میں انتہائ مصروف نظر آتے ہیں ۔ ممکن ہے کہ روسی ساختہ ویکسین کی پہلی کھیپ پاکستان میں عاطف صاحب اور گروپ کی مشترکہ کوششوں کا نتیجہ ہو ۔

    اس حکومت میں اوپر کی سطح پر جو مگرمچھ بیٹھے ہیں یہ بھوکے پیٹ اقتدار میں آئے ہیں اسلئے چاہتے ہیں کہ ایک ایک پائی ان کی جیب میں جائے، میں نے بہت کوشش کی کہ اجازت نامہ مل جائے لیکن اوپر والوں کو اس میں بھی اتنا منافع چاہیئے کہ پھر عام آدمی کی دسترس میں یہ ویکسین نہیں رہے گی اسلئے اس کام میں ہاتھ نہیں ڈالا۔

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    Very sad Zaidi. I don’t know what made you so negative. “Atif” wants to provide that vaccine with no profit to his people. I am not permitted to state his charity activities but I am sure you don’t know anything about him.

    ہر وقت کا طنز مناسب نہیں لگتا انجان صاحب۔

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    عاطف مالا کنڈ کی پہاڑیوں پر دس روزہ لگانے کے بعد ہی حاضری دے گا :serious:

    کیوں بے؟؟ تجھے کیوں میرے پاس سلاجیت آجانے سے تشویش  ہوتی ہے؟؟

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    Very sad Zaidi. I don’t know what made you so negative. “Atif” wants to provide that vaccine with no profit to his people. I am not permitted to state his charity activities but I am sure you don’t know anything about him.

    Anjab sahib: Some times God rewards people with good intention even before the charity act is performed and completed. Atif might be in that category . After all, we all know him and his charitable acts. Just look at this forum. Lots of dead wood  siting not producing any revenue for this forum and yet Atif is kind enough to continue to use his resources, his time and his energy to let this forum grow. Bunda ho tu Asa….

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    اس حکومت میں اوپر کی سطح پر جو مگرمچھ بیٹھے ہیں یہ بھوکے پیٹ اقتدار میں آئے ہیں اسلئے چاہتے ہیں کہ ایک ایک پائی ان کی جیب میں جائے، میں نے بہت کوشش کی کہ اجازت نامہ مل جائے لیکن اوپر والوں کو اس میں بھی اتنا منافع چاہیئے کہ پھر عام آدمی کی دسترس میں یہ ویکسین نہیں رہے گی اسلئے اس کام میں ہاتھ نہیں ڈالا۔

    عاطف صاحب ، میں نے سنا تھا کہ اس ویکسین کی درآمد کے لیے کسی این او سی کی ضرورت نہیں ۔ کیا یہ سچ ہے ؟ مجھے تو یہ سب جھوٹ کا پلندہ نظر آتے ہیں ۔ اور انتہائ بے شرم جن سے کسی بھی اچھائ کی امید نہیں ۔ اس ملک کا کیا بنے گا باس ؟۔

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    ہر وقت کا طنز مناسب نہیں لگتا انجان صاحب۔

    آپ اے تو سہی

    زیدی کی پوسٹ دیکھ کر مجھے یاد آیا کہ آپ کے چہیتے ماڈریٹر نے ایک مرتبہ مرے لئے یہی الفاظ لکھے تھے – میں رہ نہیں سکا کاپی پیسٹ کر دیا -انجان کی بجاے عاطف لکھ دیا -مقصد آپ کی دل آزاری نہیں تھی .فقط اس کی یاد میں رونا تھا-

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    طویل غیر حاضری پر بہت معذرت، خدا کا کرم ہوا کہ اپنا ذاتی مکان بنانے کی توفیق بخشی اس سلسلے میں بالکل فرصت نہیں ملتی کہ یہاں حاضری لگا سکوں البتہ ہر پوسٹ دیکھتا ضرور رہتا ہوں۔ بیچ میں کرونا کی وجہ سے پندرہ بیس دن انتہائی اذیت میں گذرے، الحمداللہ اب میں اور تمام گھر والے صحتیاب ہوچکے ہیں لیکن طوفان گذرنے کے بعد کی تباہ کاریاں بحال ہونے میں کچھ وقت لگے گا۔ انشاللہ کوشش رہے گی کہ حاضری باقاعدہ لگا سکوں

    ذاتی مکان کی مبارک ہو بھائی

    لگتا ہے ہمیشہ کوہٹہ میں ہی رہنے کا ارادہ ہے 

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    Anjab sahib: Some times God rewards people with good intention even before the charity act is performed and completed. Atif might be in that category . After all, we all know him and his charitable acts. Just look at this forum. Lots of dead wood siting not producing any revenue for this forum and yet Atif is kind enough to continue to use his resources, his time and his energy to let this forum grow. Bunda ho tu Asa….

    Only God knows our intentions and even he is Gum (Missing) these days. So, let us not be the judge and jury.

    Lots of dead wood? It was not but Atif has allowed it to be in this state. He did not start this forum to earn revenue. He has always claimed it to be a “Baithak” but the Baithak is in ruins because of missing persons. He has to be dragged into making an appearance here.  I am happy to annoy him but more often than not I am successful.

    Kia Khiyal hai?

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    Only God knows our intentions and even he is Gum (Missing) these days. So, let us not be the judge and jury. Lots of dead wood? It was not but Atif has allowed it to be in this state. He did not start this forum to earn revenue. He has always claimed it to be a “Baithak” but the Baithak is in ruins because of missing persons. He has to be dragged into making an appearance here. I am happy to annoy him but more often than not I am successful. Kia Khiyal hai?

    I don’t buy that Choran that God is missing .  If God has to act on each and every time there is a calamity, then he is not God.  Like any other forum, a platform or a baithak, money is the only one which can help it run . No one can afford to pay the expenses forever. There are some good Samaritans who are shouldering the financial burden, otherwise, this vessel would have been drowned long time ago.   Deadwood, yes, because so far no one has been able to attract new members with their words, present any idea how to make this forum a robust, up to date and modern day platform where people come and voice their concerns and can be heard. In my humble opinion, Atif alone can’t do that , even if he comes on the forum everyday and makes his presence known, still you need some sort of lollipop for those who can be attracted .

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    I don’t buy that Choran that God is missing . If God has to act on each and every time there is a calamity, then he is not God. Like any other forum, a platform or a baithak, money is the only one which can help it run . No one can afford to pay the expenses forever. There are some good Samaritans who are shouldering the financial burden, otherwise, this vessel would have been drowned long time ago. Deadwood, yes, because so far no one has been able to attract new members with their words, present any idea how to make this forum a robust, up to date and modern day platform where people come and voice their concerns and can be heard. In my humble opinion, Atif alone can’t do that , even if he comes on the forum everyday and makes his presence known, still you need some sort of lollipop for those who can be attracted .

    Zaidi Sahib

    Reference to God was merely to acknowledge that there was another thread “Khuda Gum Hai”.

    Whilst I acknowledge that money is an important tool for running the forum, it is not the only tool.

    I recall the days when the Forum was thriving, some money started flowing in from Google but then this stopped very quickly due to some misunderstanding between the Management of the Forum and Google.

    I hope you will agree that success of any forum is measured by the traffic, which in turn is dictated by the number of members and the quality of discussions.

    This was all there in the early days and the Forum was thriving. Then one by one the cream of membership left. One has to aske the question Why? And the reason definitely was not “lack of money”.  There comes my hobby horse, quality or lack of Moderation.

    A heated discussion between two members takes place and one member resorts to Fuhash Gali Gloach. This exchange is left on the forum for everyone (including potential new members) to see.  Not a good advertisement for the Forum! I can write a lot but suffice to say that Badtameezi and Gali Gloach by some members was allowed with gay abandon.. The quality members left one by one. No amount of money would have stopped that.

    Forum can still be revived back to the glory days though1

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    عاطف صاحب ، میں نے سنا تھا کہ اس ویکسین کی درآمد کے لیے کسی این او سی کی ضرورت نہیں ۔ کیا یہ سچ ہے ؟ مجھے تو یہ سب جھوٹ کا پلندہ نظر آتے ہیں ۔ اور انتہائ بے شرم جن سے کسی بھی اچھائ کی امید نہیں ۔ اس ملک کا کیا بنے گا باس ؟۔

    نہیں ایسا کچھ نہیں زیدی بھائی۔ بات صرف این او سی کی ہی نہیں ہے بلکہ کافی دیگر اجازتیں بھی ہیں جن کے بغیر اس ویکسین کو درآمد نہیں کیا جاسکتا۔ حکومت کا اعتبار کرکے سوائے ذلالت اور شرمندگی کے کچھ حاصل نہیں ہونے والا۔

    اس ویکسین کی درآمد میں صرف ڈریپ ہی نہیں پتہ نہیں کن کن اداروں کا اجازت نامہ درکار ہے۔ اللہ رحم کرے اس ملک پر، یہاں کوئی ملک کے ساتھ مخلص نہیں۔

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    Anjab sahib: Some times God rewards people with good intention even before the charity act is performed and completed. Atif might be in that category . After all, we all know him and his charitable acts. Just look at this forum. Lots of dead wood siting not producing any revenue for this forum and yet Atif is kind enough to continue to use his resources, his time and his energy to let this forum grow. Bunda ho tu Asa….

    حُسن ظن کا بہرطور شکریہ زیدی بھائی لیکن حقیقت یہ ہے کہ میں نے سوائے اس فورم کو بنانے کے اور کچھ نہیں کیا۔ اسے رواں دواں رکھنے کا تمام تر کریڈٹ میرے دوستوں خصوصا” واہ رے بھائی کو جاتا ہے۔ ویسے تو تمام دوستوں نے شروع دن سے ہی اسے چلانے کیلئے درکار رقم فراہم کی لیکن پچھلے سال اس فورم کا بوجھ ناقابل برداشت ہوگیا تھا اور فورم بند کرنے کی نوبت آگئی تھی ، اس موقع پر واہ رے بھائی نے فرمایا کہ تُسی دشمناں دی وجا دیو، خرچے دی کوئی فکر نہ کرنا لہذا اب یہ بندوق ہم  واہ رے بھائی سے چلوا رہے ہیں، کاندھا البتہ بے شک اپنا ہے۔  بہرحال تصحیح یہی مقصود تھی کہ پچھلے کئی سال سے اسے چلانے کا سہرا کم از کم میرے سر نہیں بلکہ تمام تر دوستوں کے سر ہے( سوائے شامی کے :serious: :serious:

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    Zaidi Sahib Reference to God was merely to acknowledge that there was another thread “Khuda Gum Hai”. Whilst I acknowledge that money is an important tool for running the forum, it is not the only tool. I recall the days when the Forum was thriving, some money started flowing in from Google but then this stopped very quickly due to some misunderstanding between the Management of the Forum and Google. I hope you will agree that success of any forum is measured by the traffic, which in turn is dictated by the number of members and the quality of discussions. This was all there in the early days and the Forum was thriving. Then one by one the cream of membership left. One has to aske the question Why? And the reason definitely was not “lack of money”. There comes my hobby horse, quality or lack of Moderation. A heated discussion between two members takes place and one member resorts to Fuhash Gali Gloach. This exchange is left on the forum for everyone (including potential new members) to see. Not a good advertisement for the Forum! I can write a lot but suffice to say that Badtameezi and Gali Gloach by some members was allowed with gay abandon.. The quality members left one by one. No amount of money would have stopped that. Forum can still be revived back to the glory days though1

    I agree with you that the money is not the only component which is required. Obviously  quality substance and the  writing is also very important. But , even without these ingredients, if a forum is making good income through the advertisement , it will still be pretty healthy financially for the long time . Just look at the Siasat pk, there is hardly any good writer is left on that forum who can produce a neutral and quality material . But since it has been matured over the years, this forum is running okay and don’t have any issue as far as the quality is concerned. The moderation on that forum just sucks but the money is now important and it is getting good stream of money to sustain this 3rd degree moderation and degraded quality of substance.

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    I agree with you that the money is not the only component which is required. Obviously quality substance and the writing is also very important. But , even without these ingredients, if a forum is making good income through the advertisement , it will still be pretty healthy financially for the long time . Just look at the Siasat pk, there is hardly any good writer is left on that forum who can produce a neutral and quality material . But since it has been matured over the years, this forum is running okay and don’t have any issue as far as the quality is concerned. The moderation on that forum just sucks but the money is now important and it is getting good stream of money to sustain this 3rd degree moderation and degraded quality of substance.

    I agree with your observation. I have not followed Siasat Pk but your analogy suggests that if one gets basics right and the forum is established then one can afford to be carefree later on. When dissatisfied or disenchanted members of Siasat Pk look for alternative We should be the one but are we?

    Atif should try to persuade three members to come back and they are Nadaan, Bawa and SaleemRaza. That will change things to begin with!

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    Re: عاطف گم ہو گیا ہے ؟

    I agree with your observation. I have not followed Siasat Pk but your analogy suggests that if one gets basics right and the forum is established then one can afford to be carefree later on. When dissatisfied or disenchanted members of Siasat Pk look for alternative We should be the one but are we? Atif should try to persuade three members to come back and they are Nadaan, Bawa and SaleemRaza. That will change things to begin with!

    I totally agree. There is no reason why would someone leave the forum . If a member leaves the forum on some principle stand , one can understand. But even then , I don’t think we should place unnecessary censor and other limitations on a member solely because we don’t like his/her opinion . The profanities/abuses should not be tolerated but one can issue a soft warning and delete the questionable words from the posting and it should be done on regular basis.

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