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    Re: حکومت کی پچھلے پانچ مہینے میں محاشی کارکردگی

    دو دن پہلے جنگ میں ایک خبر چھپی جس میں حکومت کی پچھلے پانچ مہینے (جولائی تا نومبر ) کی محیشت میں کارکردگی کے نمبر دئے گئے تھے جو ظاہر کر رہے تھے کہ پاکستان میں بیرونی سرمایہ کاری پچھلے سال کے اسی عرصے کے مقابلے میں اسی فیصد کم ہوئی – ایکسپورٹ سات فیصد کم ہوئی بجٹ خسارہ بڑھا یہاں تک کل تک حکومت کو جس بات پر ناز تھا یهنی تجارتی خسارہ بھی بڑھا – اس خبر میں ستائیس فیصد بیرون ملک سے آنے والی ترسیلات کا بڑھنا واحد خوش خبری تھی جس کا ظاہر ہے حکومتی کارکردگی سے کوئی لینا دینا نہیں – یہ خبر جنگ میں چھپی تو مجھے علم تھا اسے نونی اخبار سمجھ کر ہر انصافی ایک منٹ میں جھوٹا قرار دے دے گا – میں نے خبر میں پڑھا تو وزارت خزانہ کا حوالہ دیا گیا تھا – اس حوالے کی مدد سے میں منسٹری آف فناننس کی ویب سائٹ پر گیا اور تھوڑی مغز ماری کے بھد مجھے وہ رپورٹ مل گئی جو حکومت نے خود ہی اپنی ویب سائٹ پر لگائی تھی – بات کرنے کا مقصد یہ ہے کہ سچ اور پروپیگنڈے میں کتنا فرق ہوتا ہے آپ کے سامنے ہی انصافی وزیر کیا کیا کہتے ہیں کپتان نے اتنی بڑی بیرونی سرمایہ کاری لائی اور حقیقت یہ ہے کہ سرمایہ کاری اسی فیصد کم ہوئی – یہ روز ڈھول بجایا گیا کہ فیصل آباد کے کپڑے کی صنحت بیس سال بھد اپنی سو فیصد کی صلاحیت پر چل رہی ہے – کاٹن ہماری ایکسپورٹ کا بڑا حصہ ہے اور اگر ہم نے پچھلے تین مہینوں میں یہ ایکسپورٹ دس گنا یا سو گنا بڑھا دی ہے جو بھی انصافی دعویٰ کرتے ہیں تو ہماری مجموھی ایکسپورٹ سات فیصد کم کیسے ہو گئی – مشیر خزانہ اور وزیر اعظم صاحب جو روز محیشت کی بہتری کی نوید سناتے ہیں وہ نمبر کہاں ہیں اس رپورٹ میں – یہ رپورٹ یہاں لگا رہا ہوں اس کے آخری دو صفحے پوری رپورٹ کی سمری ہیں – پڑھیں اور بتائیں کہا بہتری کی ہے انصافی حکومت نے –

    http://www.finance.gov.pk/economic/economic_update_december_2020.pdf

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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqYeu6tXIAIuDdq?format=jpg&name=small

    اس حکومت سے ایک چلتی ہوئی میٹرو نہیں چل رہی، باقی اس نے کیا کرنا ہے

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    عملی طور پر اگر کچھ نہ ہو رہا ہو توپروپیگنڈے کا ڈھول پیٹنے سے کم از کم یوتھیوں کو سکون رہتا ہے کے حکومت کچھ کر رہی ہے
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqYeu6tXIAIuDdq?format=jpg&name=small

    اس حکومت سے ایک چلتی ہوئی میٹرو نہیں چل رہی، باقی اس نے کیا کرنا ہے

    If the citizens of a country are dishonest, no Government of any colour can do anything.

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    If the citizens of a country are dishonest, no Government of any colour can do anything.

    Every human being of this world is dishonest, it is the governments which keep them HONEST.

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    Every human being of this world is dishonest, it is the governments which keep them HONEST.

    Can it?

    Really?

    Why am I dishonest? No, Government in the world can make an honest man out of me, unless I want to be honest.

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    Can it? Really? Why am I dishonest? No, Government in the world can make an honest man out of me, unless I want to be honest.

    Don’t you want to pay less tax than your actual tax?? Why do you pay more than actual tax??

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    Don’t you want to pay less tax than your actual tax?? Why do you pay more than actual tax??

    Unable to understand the point you want to make. Please help me to understand.

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    Waiting for a clarification Hafeez Sahib.

    I can understand the first part “Don’t you want to pay less tax than your actual tax??” but not the second part “Why do you pay more than actual tax??”

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    Can it? Really? Why am I dishonest? No, Government in the world can make an honest man out of me, unless I want to be honest.

    بابا جی حکومت چھوڑیں آپ فورم کے جج کی ایک وارننگ کی مار ہیں

    آویں تیس مار خان نہ بنا کریں

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    Can it? Really? Why am I dishonest? No, Government in the world can make an honest man out of me, unless I want to be honest.

    I disagree with this argument. Entire west has a strong law system to catch and penalise who are not honest. Human nature is same everywhere, if you give them an opportunity to steal, they will steal. I agree overall west is way honest than us but laws control the dishonesty even religion cannot.

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    Anjaan sahib even Donald Trump accepts that he benefited the loop holes in the tax system to steal the tax. Well it is legal so cannot be stealing I guess. Everyone want to save money and he/she saves money within legal limits by hiring a smart account then it is fine. The problem occurs when you bribe someone and money goes to other person’s pocket instead of government treasury.
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    Anjaan sahib even Donald Trump accepts that he benefited the loop holes in the tax system to steal the tax. Well it is legal so cannot be stealing I guess. Everyone want to save money and he/she saves money within legal limits by hiring a smart account then it is fine. The problem occurs when you bribe someone and money goes to other person’s pocket instead of government treasury.

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    You say Human nature is same everywhere. I submit that it is not human nature to steal.

    If the opportunity is there, some will steal but not everyone.

    No one wants to pay tax, I agree. But majority accepts that there is no alternative because that is law. My observation is that when the taxpayer sees/knows that the tax money is being used for the benefit of the people generally, the payment of tax becomes acceptable. Examples are that tax payers sees buildings are made for schools, universities and hospitals. Education is free for the children up to certain, teachers and healthcare staff are paid well. I could go on and on.

    You said

    “The problem occurs  when you bribe someone and money goes to other person’s pocket instead of government treasury.”

    Awan Sahib, here the giver and taker are both Dishonest. No law can stop that.

    I will end up by saying that Laws are necessary but it should be remembered that law is only a deterrent.

    It takes two to tango. Government must put the laws in place but then people must respect those laws and be Law Abiding Citizens.

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    Awan Sahib You say Human nature is same everywhere. I submit that it is not human nature to steal. If the opportunity is there, some will steal but not everyone. No one wants to pay tax, I agree. But majority accepts that there is no alternative because that is law. My observation is that when the taxpayer sees/knows that the tax money is being used for the benefit of the people generally, the payment of tax becomes acceptable. Examples are that tax payers sees buildings are made for schools, universities and hospitals. Education is free for the children up to certain, teachers and healthcare staff are paid well. I could go on and on. You said “The problem occurs when you bribe someone and money goes to other person’s pocket instead of government treasury.” Awan Sahib, here the giver and taker are both Dishonest. No law can stop that. I will end up by saying that Laws are necessary but it should be remembered that law is only a deterrent. It takes two to tango. Government must put the laws in place but then people must respect those laws and be Law Abiding Citizens.

    I will add further that no one happily pay tax therefore state has to collect by enforcing. Once public is enforced to pay tax then they expect that their tax is used whey want it to be in return. The laws are typically to train people until they make it a habit and accept it in their everyday life but some people need law to pay tax even if their prior ten generations are trained for that. I work for government and know first hand how much people cry for their tax to be used properly. Once this practice goes into decades to centuries then everyone is trained and very few need law to enforce it. In our country, there were three decade long marshal laws when we were fed by USA and no taxation system was ever made or practised. We are very new in tax collection and need strict penalties to make it acceptable in our society. People’s tax paid should be properly used that should be an expectation but no one should allow to escape from tax saying as my tax will go to corrupts, I am not paying tax. It will take years or even decades to develop a tax culture in our country.

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    معشیت تباہ ہو گئی ، عوام بھوکے مر گئے ، کاروبار بند ، لوگ بیروزگار ، مہنگائی آسمان سے باتیں کرنے لگ گئی

    حکومت نا اہل ہے. حکومت کو تھوپا گیا ہے

    شاید کچھ یا سب سچ ہو یا شاید نہیں

    ڈھائی ایک سال گزر لئے . ملک بھی وہیں ہے، عوام بھی اور حکومت بھی

    اعداد و شمار بھی پیش ہوے اور اکثر جذبات سے بھرپور راۓ مگر ہوا کیا

    اپنا ہی دل مضطرب رہا ، بے چین رہا ، افسردہ رہا

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    I will add further that no one happily pay tax therefore state has to collect by enforcing. Once public is enforced to pay tax then they expect that their tax is used whey want it to be in return. The laws are typically to train people until they make it a habit and accept it in their everyday life but some people need law to pay tax even if their prior ten generations are trained for that. I work for government and know first hand how much people cry for their tax to be used properly. Once this practice goes into decades to centuries then everyone is trained and very few need law to enforce it. In our country, there were three decade long marshal laws when we were fed by USA and no taxation system was ever made or practised. We are very new in tax collection and need strict penalties to make it acceptable in our society. People’s tax paid should be properly used that should be an expectation but no one should allow to escape from tax saying as my tax will go to corrupts, I am not paying tax. It will take years or even decades to develop a tax culture in our country.

    I believe that public needs to be educated to say that Government (All governments) need income so that it can spend on public and the Government’s income is Taxes. Once this message gets through public will begin to pay taxes. The Government however, has to ensure that the tax system is a fair system.

    We should never have been very new in tax collection. I remember that the collection system for salaries staff started back in 1968. Sales Tax has also been there for many many years. It is the FBR which for one reason or another does not perform

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    I believe that public needs to be educated to say that Government (All governments) need income so that it can spend on public and the Government’s income is Taxes. Once this message gets through public will begin to pay taxes. The Government however, has to ensure that the tax system is a fair system. We should never have been very new in tax collection. I remember that the collection system for salaries staff started back in 1968. Sales Tax has also been there for many many years. It is the FBR which for one reason or another does not perform

    The major difference is between direct and indirect taxes. Taxes collect on oil, gas, electricity and daily use items were for ever but individual taxes were never fully implemented. Government employees were paying taxes for ever but private salaried people were not having any firm system to pay taxes. Direct tax payers are about 1% whereas everyone is paying indirect taxes. The more we bring direct tax people in tax  system the less indirect tax we have to collect. The last decade or so direct taxes are on the rise and there is a hope that it will increase in future years.

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    اعوان جی یہ حکومت اس سال کو پورا نہیں کرپاے گی بہت مشکل ہے کیونکہ توانای کا بحران رہی سہی کسر بھی نکال دے گا چونکہ ڈھیٹ پن میں یہ حکومت سب سے سخت ہے اس لئے میں کہہ سکتا ہوں کہ ان سے پہلے ان کے سلیکٹرز خودکشی کرنے کیلئے بہت سنجیدگی سے سوچ رہے ہونگے
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    اعوان جی یہ حکومت اس سال کو پورا نہیں کرپاے گی بہت مشکل ہے کیونکہ توانای کا بحران رہی سہی کسر بھی نکال دے گا چونکہ ڈھیٹ پن میں یہ حکومت سب سے سخت ہے اس لئے میں کہہ سکتا ہوں کہ ان سے پہلے ان کے سلیکٹرز خودکشی کرنے کیلئے بہت سنجیدگی سے سوچ رہے ہونگے

    They also know that “Khudkushi” is “Haraam”.

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    میری حقیر راۓ میں چاہے ہم اس حکومت کی معاشی ، سیاسی ، سماجی، خارجہ، اندرونی یا کسی بھی پیمانے پر خوش نا ہوں، اپنی کوئی بھی راۓ قائم کریں، کتنی بھی خواہش کر لیں کہ یہ حکومت نہیں چل پاۓ گی اور مسلم لیگ نون کی حکومت قائم ہو اور پہلے محترم میاں صاحب اور بعد میں محترمہ مریم صاحبہ ہمارے کو ترقی کی جانب لے چلیں، یہ حکمت اس وقت تک قائم رہے گی جب تک مسلم لیگ نون ، محترم میاں صاحب اور محترمہ مریم صاحبہ کچھ دو اور کچھ لو پر سمجھوتہ نہیں کر لیتے یا عوام کی ایک بڑی تعداد احتجاج پر مائل نہیں ہو جاتی

    ہاں خواہش رکھنے پر نہ پابندی ہے نہ کوئی دفعہ جرم

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