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    Re: THINK TANK

    Danishgardi Think Tank

    This Forum I think is designed for Pakistanis to discuss the political and social issues facing Pakistan.

    My observation so far is that almost all the members can be divided into two groups, those supporting the current government and those supporting the previous government. It is sad that those who support the current government do not acknowledge the good work done by the previous government however little that might be and similarly the supporters of the previous government do not give credit to the current government even for the steps taken in the right direction.

    I propose the formulation of Danishgardi Think Tank to identify and make suggestions to solve the problems facing Pakistan. These discussions should be without party affiliations, without throwing insults at each other and supported by logical arguments.

    I propose the panel to consist of the following:

    Ghost Protocol

    Bawa

    Shahid Abbassi

    Saleem Raza

    JMP

    Jamhoor Pasand and

    Nadaan as Chairperson

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    جاوید صاحب فورم پر خوش آمدید

    یہ اپنے چھوٹے بھائی سلیم کی سمجھ تو آتی ہیں ایسے ٹینک میں بیٹھنے کی – باقیوں نے کیا قصور کیا ہے جناب ؟؟

    اور ویسے آپ خود کو اس قابل کیوں نہیں سمجھتے ؟؟

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    جاوید صاحب فورم پر خوش آمدید

    یہ اپنے چھوٹے بھائی سلیم کی سمجھ تو آتی ہیں ایسے ٹینک میں بیٹھنے کی – باقیوں نے کیا قصور کیا ہے جناب ؟؟

    اور ویسے آپ خود کو اس قابل کیوں نہیں سمجھتے ؟؟

    جیو جی بھائی

    جاوید صاحب کو کتنی بار فورم پر خوش آمدید کہیں گے؟

    انہوں نے تو ہر دوسرے دن بھیس بدل کر ٹھنڈی الماری خریدنے آنا ہوتا ہے

    :)

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    I think economy of the country is the most important problem and issue Pakistan is facing right now. Solution has some short terms and long term steps. Short term solution is to get loans from IMF and other friend countries; in fact this short term solution is used by all previous governments as long term solution as well. Although I am more critical on current government and one can rate my opinion biased but think it is true that current government has not taken any practical step to find a permanent solution of our national finances. If we discuss previous government’s steps then it is true that they were failed to find a permanent solution and were heavily depending on loans from IMF/China to run the country and to finance major projects. I think back bone of every country’s income is taxes and our performance in tax collection is in such a misery condition that only half percent of population pay taxes. Previous government increased tax collection 20% higher than previous year and almost doubled total collection in five years. This sounds a big gain provided a healthy population say 50% or more were already paying taxes but it is very small when only a half percent are paying taxes. It is not true that people of Pakistan are not paying tax; in fact they are paying heavy indirect taxes in electricity, gas, petrol prices and duties on imports. These heavy indirect taxes do not effect rich and ruins the life of poor as it is taxed at same rate to all. If government can collect direct taxes proportional to everyone’s income then indirect taxes are not required. Current government has revised tax brackets slightly but it will not make any major impact on overall tax collection. Government have to declare tax emergency and go all out against middle high and rich class  similar to their race against corruption firing from all cylinders. Imran Khan is capable to launch a big campaign against non filers and non tax payers in middle and high class.

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    جاوید بابو۔ انجان کا کیا قصور کہ اسکو اس لسٹ میں شامل نہیں بنایا ۔ اسلئے ہم یہ لسٹ مسترد کرتے ہیں جب تک انجان کو اس لسٹ میں بحیثیت لیڈر نہیں چنتے ۔

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    جیو جی بھائی جاوید صاحب کو کتنی بار فورم پر خوش آمدید کہیں گے؟ انہوں نے تو ہر دوسرے دن بھیس بدل کر ٹھنڈی الماری خریدنے آنا ہوتا ہے :)

    باوا جی ….یہ بندا وقت لگا کر نئی آئی ڈی بناتا ہے …مگر پہلے ہی پوسٹ میں پکڑا جاتا ہے …کیا بہتر نہیں کہ سب لوگ کھیل کو تھوڑی دیر چلنے دیں تاکہ اس بندے کی محنت ہی وصول ہو جاۓ

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    جاوید بابو۔ انجان کا کیا قصور کہ اسکو اس لسٹ میں شامل نہیں بنایا ۔ اسلئے ہم یہ لسٹ مسترد کرتے ہیں جب تک انجان کو اس لسٹ میں بحیثیت لیڈر نہیں چنتے ۔

    یار آخری دفعہ مرچی زیادہ ہو گئی تھی وہ ابھی اپنی پوچھل مرمت فرما رہے ہیں

    اس لیے وہ تو دستیاب نہیں اب جاوید بابو کو ہی نظام سقہ بنا لیں

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    باوا جی ….یہ بندا وقت لگا کر نئی آئی ڈی بناتا ہے …مگر پہلے ہی پوسٹ میں پکڑا جاتا ہے …کیا بہتر نہیں کہ سب لوگ کھیل کو تھوڑی دیر چلنے دیں تاکہ اس بندے کی محنت ہی وصول ہو جاۓ

    cc. Bawa

    میں بھی اسی خیال کی پرزور حمائیت کرتا ہوں۔ ایک بندہ اپنے لئے نیا ای میل اکاونٹ بناتا ہے پھر پراکسیز کی مدد سے خود کو رجسٹر کرتا ہے اور جیسے ہی پہلی پوسٹ کرتا ہے باوا بھائی یا کوئی اور گمراہ اس کا پول کھول دیتا ہے یوں ہمارے پاس آئی ڈیز تو بنتی جارہی ہیں لیکن محض چند روز بعد ایکسپائر ہوجاتی ہیں۔

    میرا خیال ہے ہمیں نئے ممبر کی آوبھگت کرنا چاہیئے، اس سے اس کے خیالات پوچھنے چاہییں چاہے ہمیں اس کی منت کیوں نہ کرنا پڑے۔

    اور کچھ نہیں تو کم از کم اسے کچھ دن تک الماری کی قیمت تو پوچھنے دینا چاہیئے نہ؟؟

    اب آپ دیکھنا یہ ہمارے نئے ممبر جاوید بھائی بھی ناراض ہوکر چل دیں گے کہ اس فورم پر نئے ممبر کی عزت نہیں کی جاتی۔

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    GeoG                 @pml-n

    Bawa                Qarar       @atif

    Interesting feed back. Thank you gentlemen

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    I think economy of the country is the most important problem and issue Pakistan is facing right now. Solution has some short terms and long term steps. Short term solution is to get loans from IMF and other friend countries; in fact this short term solution is used by all previous governments as long term solution as well. Although I am more critical on current government and one can rate my opinion biased but think it is true that current government has not taken any practical step to find a permanent solution of our national finances. If we discuss previous government’s steps then it is true that they were failed to find a permanent solution and were heavily depending on loans from IMF/China to run the country and to finance major projects. I think back bone of every country’s income is taxes and our performance in tax collection is in such a misery condition that only half percent of population pay taxes. Previous government increased tax collection 20% higher than previous year and almost doubled total collection in five years. This sounds a big gain provided a healthy population say 50% or more were already paying taxes but it is very small when only a half percent are paying taxes. It is not true that people of Pakistan are not paying tax; in fact they are paying heavy indirect taxes in electricity, gas, petrol prices and duties on imports. These heavy indirect taxes do not effect rich and ruins the life of poor as it is taxed at same rate to all. If government can collect direct taxes proportional to everyone’s income then indirect taxes are not required. Current government has revised tax brackets slightly but it will not make any major impact on overall tax collection. Government have to declare tax emergency and go all out against middle high and rich class similar to their race against corruption firing from all cylinders. Imran Khan is capable to launch a big campaign against non filers and non tax payers in middle and high class.

    Thank you.

    Crux of the matter appears to be inadequate and inefficient system for tax collection especially from the black economy. I often wonder why do people from FBR not visit Europe and study and copy a system which works.

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    Thank you. Crux of the matter appears to be inadequate and inefficient system for tax collection especially from the black economy. I often wonder why do people from FBR not visit Europe and study and copy a system which works.

    میں فیر نہ ای سمجھاں؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

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    باوا جی ….یہ بندا وقت لگا کر نئی آئی ڈی بناتا ہے …مگر پہلے ہی پوسٹ میں پکڑا جاتا ہے …کیا بہتر نہیں کہ سب لوگ کھیل کو تھوڑی دیر چلنے دیں تاکہ اس بندے کی محنت ہی وصول ہو جاۓ

    مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ پینل پہلے بنادیا ہے مگر ڈسکشن گروپ ابھی اگلے سال بجٹ کے بعد بنے گا

    :yapping:

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    GeoG PML-N Bawa Qarar Atif Interesting feed back. Thank you gentlemen

    ویسے بابو جی- آج کل آپ کی کیا شغلیات ہیں۔

    میں ایڈمن سے درخواست کرتا ہوں کہ جاوید بابو کو سو دن کیلیے موڈ بنا دیں اور پھر پہلے ہی دن آنیسہ کے سو دنوں کی رپورٹ لیں۔

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    یار آخری دفعہ مرچی زیادہ ہو گئی تھی وہ ابھی اپنی پوچھل مرمت فرما رہے ہیں اس لیے وہ تو دستیاب نہیں اب جاوید بابو کو ہی نظام سقہ بنا لیں

    ٹھیک ہے جاوید بابو کو اپنا لیتے ہیں۔

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    Thank you. Crux of the matter appears to be inadequate and inefficient system for tax collection especially from the black economy. I often wonder why do people from FBR not visit Europe and study and copy a system which works.

    Baba Poochal, current Chairman FBR has done MBA from Birmingham Uni and most of the senior members are British educated.

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    جاوید صاحب ہم آپ کی ٹھینک میں بن بلائے مہمان ہے

    کیا آپ واقعی سمجھتے ہے کہ مسلہ ٹیکس کولیکشن ہے ؟ یا پرا ڈیکٹویٹی

    Thank you. Crux of the matter appears to be inadequate and inefficient system for tax collection especially from the black economy. I often wonder why do people from FBR not visit Europe and study and copy a system which works.
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    باوا جی یہ زیادتی ہے ، آپ ہر بندے کو پٹھان سمجھ کر فورم کے دس پر سینٹ لوگوں کے جذبات مجروح کر دیتے ہیں

    :bigsmile:

    جیو جی بھائی جاوید صاحب کو کتنی بار فورم پر خوش آمدید کہیں گے؟ انہوں نے تو ہر دوسرے دن بھیس بدل کر ٹھنڈی الماری خریدنے آنا ہوتا ہے :)
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    نون لیگ والے مسلم لیگی بھائی – آپ نے میرے دل کی بات کر دی

    میں بھی جاوید صاحب کو ماڈ بنانے کی پرزور درخواست کرتا ہو ، فورم کی انتظامیہ کو اب یہ اصولی فیصلہ کرنا ہو گا

    ویسے بابو جی- آج کل آپ کی کیا شغلیات ہیں۔ میں ایڈمن سے درخواست کرتا ہوں کہ جاوید بابو کو سو دن کیلیے موڈ بنا دیں اور پھر پہلے ہی دن آنیسہ کے سو دنوں کی رپورٹ لیں۔
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    I think economy of the country is the most important problem and issue Pakistan is facing right now. Solution has some short terms and long term steps. Short term solution is to get loans from IMF and other friend countries; in fact this short term solution is used by all previous governments as long term solution as well. Although I am more critical on current government and one can rate my opinion biased but think it is true that current government has not taken any practical step to find a permanent solution of our national finances. If we discuss previous government’s steps then it is true that they were failed to find a permanent solution and were heavily depending on loans from IMF/China to run the country and to finance major projects. I think back bone of every country’s income is taxes and our performance in tax collection is in such a misery condition that only half percent of population pay taxes. Previous government increased tax collection 20% higher than previous year and almost doubled total collection in five years. This sounds a big gain provided a healthy population say 50% or more were already paying taxes but it is very small when only a half percent are paying taxes. It is not true that people of Pakistan are not paying tax; in fact they are paying heavy indirect taxes in electricity, gas, petrol prices and duties on imports. These heavy indirect taxes do not effect rich and ruins the life of poor as it is taxed at same rate to all. If government can collect direct taxes proportional to everyone’s income then indirect taxes are not required. Current government has revised tax brackets slightly but it will not make any major impact on overall tax collection. Government have to declare tax emergency and go all out against middle high and rich class similar to their race against corruption firing from all cylinders. Imran Khan is capable to launch a big campaign against non filers and non tax payers in middle and high class.

    یہ تو بتانا ہی فضول اور وقت کا زیا ع  ہے کہ یہ نوبت پچھلی حکومتوں کی ستر سالہ کاوشوں کا نتیجہ ہے ..اس لئے اس پر کیا بات کرنی …پچھلی حکومتوں سے مایوس ہو کر ہی عمران کو موقع دیا ہے ..لیکن ہتھیلی پر سرسوں نہیں جمتی ..سو دنوں میں ستر سال کا گند صاف کرنا معجزہ تو ہو سکتا ہے ..حقیقت نہیں ….ابھی تو نئی  حکومت اس چیز سے ہی نبرد آزما ہو رہی ہے کہ قرضوں کی قسط کہاں سے لائیں کہ ڈیفالٹ ہونے سے بچا جائے ..وہ سمت ٹھیک ہو گئی تو باقی بھی ہو جائیں گے ..اچھی بات ہے کہ سمت درست ہے ..

    اس کے باوجود دیکھا جائے تو ادھر ادھر اچھا ہی ہو رہا ہے ..بس تسلی رکھیں اور صبر کریں

    نہ ٹھیک کر سکا تو کوئی اور مسیحا ڈھونڈ لیں گے لیکن آزمائے ہوئے کو کبھی نہیں آزمائیں گے

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    I think economy of the country is the most important problem and issue Pakistan is facing right now. Solution has some short terms and long term steps. Short term solution is to get loans from IMF and other friend countries; in fact this short term solution is used by all previous governments as long term solution as well. Although I am more critical on current government and one can rate my opinion biased but think it is true that current government has not taken any practical step to find a permanent solution of our national finances. If we discuss previous government’s steps then it is true that they were failed to find a permanent solution and were heavily depending on loans from IMF/China to run the country and to finance major projects. I think back bone of every country’s income is taxes and our performance in tax collection is in such a misery condition that only half percent of population pay taxes. Previous government increased tax collection 20% higher than previous year and almost doubled total collection in five years. This sounds a big gain provided a healthy population say 50% or more were already paying taxes but it is very small when only a half percent are paying taxes. It is not true that people of Pakistan are not paying tax; in fact they are paying heavy indirect taxes in electricity, gas, petrol prices and duties on imports. These heavy indirect taxes do not effect rich and ruins the life of poor as it is taxed at same rate to all. If government can collect direct taxes proportional to everyone’s income then indirect taxes are not required. Current government has revised tax brackets slightly but it will not make any major impact on overall tax collection. Government have to declare tax emergency and go all out against middle high and rich class similar to their race against corruption firing from all cylinders. Imran Khan is capable to launch a big campaign against non filers and non tax payers in middle and high class.

    اعوان صاحب ….صرف آپ کے لئے ….کلاسرا صاحب عمران کے شدید نقاد ہیں ..لیکن سچ وہ جو سر  چڑھ کر بولے

    Awan

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