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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    اشو کیا ہے ؟ مجھے بھی بتا دیں

    جب کہا کہ پی ایم کرتی ہوں تو آپ نے کہا رہنے دیں

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    اس کا مطلب ہے کوئی ایشو ہے ؟ آپ یہی بیان کریں تا کے اسے عوامی کورٹ میں پرکھا جائے کے اشو ہے بھی کے نہی

    جب کہا کہ پی ایم کرتی ہوں تو آپ نے کہا رہنے دیں
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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    یہ ہی تو رونا ہے

    تو روئیں ۔۔۔۔ ن لیگ کے راستے میں جو آیا ۔۔۔۔ وہ کٹ گیا ۔۔۔۔۔ آپ لوگ بھی کٹ جا ئیں گے ۔۔۔۔۔

    ن لیگ کے پرانے سارے مخالفین ۔۔۔۔۔ جو نیجو ۔۔۔۔ بے نظیر ۔۔۔۔۔ اسحاق خان ۔۔۔ ۔۔ فوت ہوچکے ۔۔۔۔ مشرف ۔۔۔۔ چوھدری۔۔۔ جرنل راحیل ۔۔۔۔ سب دھند لا چکے ۔۔۔

    تم لوگوں کی تبد یلی اور نئے پا کستان کا جنازہ چند مہینے میں نکل گیا ہے تمہاری مذ احیہ مخالفت بھی مشرف بن جائے گی  ۔۔۔۔۔۔

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    کیا محترمہ مریم صاحبہ اور محترم شہباز شریف صاحب کے درمیان کوئی مقابلہ ہے یا نہیں یہ تو شاید محترمہ مریم صاحبہ یا محترم شہباز شریف صاحب اور انکے نزدیک کے لوگ ہی جانتے ہیں. ہم لوگ تو قیاس ہی کر سکتے ہیں اور قیاس غلط بھی ہو سکتا ہے. البتہ قیاس کے پیچھے کچھ دلائل ، کچھ مشاہدات یا کچھ سوچ ہو تو قیاس کے مضبوط ہونے کے کافی امکان ہوتے ہیں .

    میں بہت سارے اور موضوعات اور خاص طور پر اس موضوع پر محترم قرار صاحب کی تحریر کی جانب جھکاؤ رکھتا ہوں کیونکہ اس میں مظبوط دلائل اور مشھائدہ نظر آتا ہے . میرے خیال میں اس بات کے امکان زیادہ ہیں کے ان دو محترم شخصیات کے درمیان اگر نمایاں نہیں تو سرد سی جنگ ہے اور وقت کے ساتھ شاید یہ جنگ گہری ہوتی جاۓ .

    اس بات میں کوئی شک نہیں کے محترم میاں نواز شریف صاحب اور محترم شہباز شریف صاحب کے درمیان ہم آہنگی اور ایک دوسرے کے ساتھ وفاداری کا ایک اٹوٹ بندھن ہے اور یہی وجہ ہے کے ان دونوں معزز محترم شخصیات کے درمیان کبھی کوئی اختلاف نہ دیکھنے کو ملا نہ سننے کو. اس کے برعکس مرحومہ بینظیر اور مرحوم مرتضیٰ کے درمیان اختلاف کھلے عام نظر آتے تھے

    مگر کیا محترمہ مریم صاحبہ اور محترم شہباز شریف صاحب کے درمیان بھی ویسے ہی تعلقات ہونگے جیسا کے دونوں بھائیوں میں ہیں مشکل نظرآتا ہے اور اس کی چند وجوہات میری نظر میں مندرجہ ذیل ہیں

    ١) محترمہ مریم صاحبہ سیاست میں پچھلے کچھ سالوں میں ہی نمودار ہوئی ہیں اور اسکے برعکس محترم حمزہ شہباز شریف صاحب بہت عرصے سے سیاست سے وابستہ تھے اور اسمبلیوں کے رکن بھی تھے. محترمہ مریم صاحبہ نے کبھی بھی انتخابات میں حصہ نہیں لیا اور پھر یکدم ایسا لگا کے وہ مسلم لیگ میں صف اول میں شمار ہونے لگی ہیں اور محترم حمزہ شریف صاحب پیچھے رہ گئے

    ٢) محترم مریم صاحبہ کی سیاست اور محترم شہباز شریف صاحب کی سیاست کا انداز بلکل مختلف ہے . ایک ٹکراؤ پر یقین رکھتا ہے اور دوسرا مفاہمت پر

    ٣) محترمہ مریم صاحبہ کا سیاست کا تجربہ کچھ ہی سالوں پر محیط ہے جبکہ محترم شہباز شریف صاحب تیس ایک سالوں سے سیاست میں ایک نمایاں حیثیت رکھتے ہیں. ایک دم ایسا لگتا ہے کے انکو محترمہ مریم صاحبہ سے پیچھے کر دیا گیا ہے اور انکی حیثیت محترمہ سے کم ہو گئی ہے اور ایسا قبول کرنا ہر ایک کے لئے ممکن نہیں ہے

    ٤) محترم میاں نواز شریف صاحب مرکز اور محترم شہباز شریف صاحب پنجاب کی حد تک سر گرم عمل رہیں گے اور دونوں بھائی اس بات سے مطمئن تھے مگر اب مرکز اور پنجاب کے لئے تین چار دعویدار سامنے آ گئے ہیں اور جب بات طاقت کی ہو اقتدار کی ہو تو خاندان ، رشتے ، احترام کی وہ حیثیت اکثر ثانوی ہو جاتی ہے .

    ٥) محترمہ مریم صاحبہ کو یہ فائدہ حاصل ہے کے وہ محترم نواز شریف صاحب کی بیٹی ہیں اورہماری عوام اس رشتے کو بھائی اور بتھیجے بھتیجی کے رشتے سے زیادہ مقدم گنواتی ہے میری نظر میں . میرے خیال میں محترم شہباز صاحب کو بھی اس بات کا خیال ہے اور شاید انکو ایسا لگتا ہو کے اب وہ مرکز میں کوئی نمایاں حیثیت نہ حاصل کر سکیں

    ٦) محترم نواز شریف صاحب کی معزولی کے بعد محترم نواز شریف صاحب نے اپنی جدوجہد میں محترمہ مریم صاحبہ کو شامل کیا اور محترم شہباز شریف صاحب اور محترم حمزہ صاحب اتنے سامنے نظر نہیں آے . اس سے بھی یہ لگتا ہے کے مسلم لیگ کا اگلا دور محترمہ مریم صاحبہ کا ہے نہ کے محترم شہباز صاحب اور محترم حمزہ صاحب کا

    محترم باوا صاحب . یہ ہوتا ہے اصل چول نامہ . Qarar sahib Bawa sahib

    نمستے محترم جے بھائی جی

    چول نامہ لکھنا آپکے بس کی بات نہیں ہے

    یہ کام کوئی قرار جی جیسا چول عظیم ہی کر سکتا ہے

    :)

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    Darvaish Sb, if her demand is considered, what does this tentamounts to in the perception of masses !! NS released because Establishment used dirty video of a judge or other means to punish as Judge himself uttering the words that he didn`t find any grounds to covict but had to do so. I am pretty sure that Establishment will make some other move as they would not want to be seen giving in to her demands and this seems to be reason for her announcing that she has more videos to preempt any such move. What could they learn?? Nothing happened for a year and after a year Establishment got scared that for the first time a political party will go to next elections and asked to be judged on performance that it was important for Establishment to not let this happen and on top NS was asserting himself in foreign relations specially with India which was a no go area. What was wrong in all this?? It was Establishment who started the Panga, in my opinion, not NS. One could say that NS should have listened and I am sure Establishment would find some other reasons and ways to confront so this had to happen. Mariam is doing exactly what a daughter should do, brave act to take on Establishment knowing fully well the history how they behave and what dangers she could be in. Videos of Judge however made are Panama for the Establishment and their Stooge judges and these should be fully used to fully expose them, it may be Abu Bachao but it will also have huge impact on future political dispensation.

    Thanks, GeoG Sb.

    nothing wrong in it. It is just a matter of strategy choice. To me, her current strategy is a lower level strategy: focused on survival, with low risk:reward ratio and low chances of success.

    Overall, it is a fight for control over the power lever. Whoever will challenge that control with inadequate and without committed political power base would be made to go thru all what MnS is experiencing.

    For a media coup, the video trick was quite effective but for a limited, partisan audience. I already said this in a previous post.

    Do you think she will present it in the court and would it be able to stand forensic scrutiny?

    In these matters, a lot depends on your target audience/segment and their willingness to believe or not to. Do we really need to discuss the credibility of Pak judges?

    now, what if we flip the last part of your last sentence like this: instead of abbu bachao, if she becomes real, wouldn’t she have more than ‘huge impact’ on the future political dispensation of the country and abbu would also be saved as a bye-result of that goal/objective??

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    Thanks, GeoG Sb. nothing wrong in it. It is just a matter of strategy choice. To me, her current strategy is a lower level strategy: focused on survival, with low risk:reward ratio and low chances of success. Overall, it is a fight for control over the power lever. Whoever will challenge that control with inadequate and without committed political power base would be made to go thru all what MnS is experiencing. For a media coup, the video trick was quite effective but for a limited, partisan audience. I already said this in a previous post. Do you think she will present it in the court and would it be able to stand forensic scrutiny? In these matters, a lot depends on your target audience/segment and their willingness to believe or not to. Do we really need to discuss the credibility of Pak judges? now, what if we flip the last part of your last sentence like this: instead of abbu bachao, if she becomes real, wouldn’t she have more than ‘huge impact’ on the future political dispensation of the country and abbu would also be saved as a bye-result of that goal/objective??

    Thank you as well Darvaish Sb, i generally agree with the gist of your response as you sought my opinion on last point, it depends upon one.s bias and inclination towards or against political affiliations, may I ask what she needs to do to be seen as working more for political system than Abu Bachao as whatever she does, i think it will be seen as Abu Bachao, can you please cite just one convincing example to convince an opponent.

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    Thank you as well Darvaish Sb, i generally with the gist of your response as you sought my opinion on last point, it depends upon one.s bias and inclination towards or against political affiliations, may I ask what she needs to do to be seen as working more for political system than Abu Bachao as whatever she does, i think it will be seen as Abu Bachao, can you please cite just one convincing example to convince an opponent.

    She is focused on tactics, not even a short term strategy. She needs to have a medium to long term strategy.

    Clarity of focus (on civilian supremacy) with patience and perseverance! She is becoming quite eloquent with time and the primary focus of her all carefully planned and targetted pol communication should be civil rights and liberties. Abbu’s suffering should be only an occasional passing reference here and there.

    She needs to be her own person, not abbu’s beti anymore. She is not that much tainted herself. With time she needs to appear less and less tainted with abbu’s corruption.

    Big opportunities are coming here way in 2-5 year time. She needs to be mentally prepared and to have planned for them. Instead, they put her in jail on forgery, she should do something to get incarcerated for civil supremacy cause for more than 3 years.

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    تو روئیں ۔۔۔۔ ن لیگ کے راستے میں جو آیا ۔۔۔۔ وہ کٹ گیا ۔۔۔۔۔ آپ لوگ بھی کٹ جا ئیں گے ۔۔۔۔۔ ن لیگ کے پرانے سارے مخالفین ۔۔۔۔۔ جو نیجو ۔۔۔۔ بے نظیر ۔۔۔۔۔ اسحاق خان ۔۔۔ ۔۔ فوت ہوچکے ۔۔۔۔ مشرف ۔۔۔۔ چوھدری۔۔۔ جرنل راحیل ۔۔۔۔ سب دھند لا چکے ۔۔۔ تم لوگوں کی تبد یلی اور نئے پا کستان کا جنازہ چند مہینے میں نکل گیا ہے تمہاری مذ احیہ مخالفت بھی مشرف بن جائے گی ۔۔۔۔۔۔

    مائی گاڈ ..نون لیگ ہے یا مافیا

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    اس کا مطلب ہے کوئی ایشو ہے ؟ آپ یہی بیان کریں تا کے اسے عوامی کورٹ میں پرکھا جائے کے اشو ہے بھی کے نہی

    never mind

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    She is focused on tactics, not even a short term strategy. She needs to have a medium to long term strategy. Clarity of focus (on civilian supremacy) with patience and perseverance! She is becoming quite eloquent with time and the primary focus of her all carefully planned and targetted pol communication should be civil rights and liberties. Abbu’s suffering should be only an occasional passing reference here and there. She needs to be her own person, not abbu’s beti anymore. She is not that much tainted herself. With time she needs to appear less and less tainted with abbu’s corruption. Big opportunities are coming here way in 2-5 year time. She needs to be mentally prepared and to have planned for them. Instead, they put her in jail on forgery, she should do something to get incarcerated for civil supremacy cause for more than 3 years.

    Darvaish sb, in Pakistani political context, she will always be seen as Abu ki Betti, even if she does not talk about her Abu for couple of years as the real power brokers have a whole brigade of social media workers who are employed to bark on politicians who oppose these power brokers.

    In my opinion she needs to talk more about her Abbu not because she derives her political capital from her Abu but also that her Abu was victimised and the current relevations about the judge who sentenced him are providing her all the amunitions she needs and having said all this this will increase probability of Marshal Law so some sort of sanity needs to be maintained.

    She will be a Worthy leader and may be PM one day, if she is not killed.

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    ن لیگ کے راستے میں جو آیا ۔۔۔۔ وہ کٹ گیا

    ہاہاہاہاہا

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    Thanks. Were she real on this, she would not have used it to politicize the issue. Instead, she would take it straight to IHC which incidentally is the higher admin court and where their appeal is being heard in the same case and explode the bombshell in open and full court. After showing the video in that presser, her demand was also quite interesting. As reported in the media, it was: “meri kisi idary sy koi lrai nhe, na karna chati hun. Sirf MnS k khalaf cases ko kal-adam qrar dia jaye aur ba izzat bari kia jaye”. Too much of abbu bachao and nothing about democracy, political struggle, concessions for her party or people’s rights!! Since right after the 2014 Dharna, she had started this fight with GHQ, especially on social media and single-handedly can be credited with antagonizing the GHQ in a major way but has learnt nothing in 5 years, neither in terms of intent/objective nor in terms of tricks and tactics. She needs to shed this mantle of a novice coy about herself and being a grandma start acting like a mature person.

    درویش بھائی، اس انتہائی غلیظ کھیل میں آپ کسی ایک سے آئیڈیل قسم کی روش کی امید کیسے کر سکتے ہیں۔ یہ ہم عوام ہیں جو ان لوگوں کو آئیڈیلائز کر کے ان سے اصولوں اور قانون کے مطابق عوام کی بہتری کے مطابق رویوں کی امیدیں باندھتے ہیں لیکن یہ دراصل ایسا ہے نہی۔ جج کو رشوت کی آفرز اور دھمکیاں نواز شریف کے بندوں نے بھی ضرور لگائی ہونگیں اور فوج نے بھی اسے ہر طرح سے دھمکا کر اپنی مرضی کا فیصلہ لکھوانا چاہا ہوگا۔ مریم اس وقت سیاست سے زیادہ اپنے باپ کو بچانے میں لگی ہے اور اس مہم میں وہ اسٹیبلشمنٹ سے یہ راؤنڈ جیت گئی ہے۔ ان ویڈیوز کو پولیٹیسائز کئے بغیر وہ یہ نتائج حاصل نہی کر سکتی تھی جو اس نے اب حاصل کئے ہیں۔ کسی کی مرضی کے بغیر بنائی گئی ویڈیو کو عدالت میں شہادت کے طور پیش نہی کیا جا سکتا تھا اور خاص طور پر جب ویڈیو بنانے والا خود باہر بیٹھا ہو۔ رہی سیاست تو سیاست کا اسے سوچنے کی کچھ زیادہ ضرورت بھی نہی کہ اس دو موئی سیاست میں عوام میں پزیرائی کا اسے خوف نہی کہ موجودہ معاشی صورتِ حال میں عوام کی نظر میں ن لیگ کے علاوہ کوئی اور آپشن موجود نہی ہے جبکہ سیاست کے دوسرے رخ یعنی اسٹیبلشمنٹ سے تعلقات کو نارملائز کرنے کی ساری کوششیں ناکام ہو جانے کے بعد اب اس کے پاس انہیں دبانے کے علاوہ اور راستہ ہی کیا بچا ہے۔ میرے خیال میں وہ اسٹیبلشمنٹ کو اتنا دبانا چاہتے ہیں کہ اسٹیبشمنٹ کسی طرح کی ڈیل پر مجبور ہوجائے۔

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    Darvaish sb, in Pakistani political context, she will always be seen as Abu ki Betti, even if she does not talk about her Abu for couple of years as the real power brokers have a whole brigade of social media workers who are employed to bark on politicians who oppose these power brokers. In my opinion she needs to talk more about her Abbu not because she derives her political capital from her Abu but also that her Abu was victimised and the current relevations about the judge who sentenced him are providing her all the amunitions she needs and having said all this this will increase probability of Marshal Law so some sort of sanity needs to be maintained. She will be a Worthy leader and may be PM one day, if she is not killed.

    Abbu ki beti is a given fact and people should be allowed to see her as such. But why does she need to waste her energies on establishing something that is already established and she is enjoying the privileges associated with it??

    She needs to broaden her base and appeal. She needs to develop a character of real resistance, taking GHQ head-on with a medium-term strategy as she is up against a medium to a long term plan.

    In my assessment, GHQ is working on 10 years plan thru this arrangement. And it has all the control and means to implement it. Her little tactics here and there are not offering any real challenge except for gaining some little respite here and there which GHQ does not mind. In 10 year time, a lot will change and she needs to be prepared for eventualities and oppos along the way.

    We have a culture of accusations and counter-accusations where nothing gets proved decisively. This is not going to change in the foreseeable future. Her current political capital and mantra of Abbu victimization are only effective with her current partisan lot — a very limited base. Just today a while ago, a lethal rejoinder of counter-accusation from the judge.

    On the other hand, GHQ sympathizers/barkers as you pointed out, are more effective in portraying her and her family as corrupt, confused, power hungry and always after a deal. In fact, I have never seen PMLn winning a war of trends on social media.

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    درویش بھائی، اس انتہائی غلیظ کھیل میں آپ کسی ایک سے آئیڈیل قسم کی روش کی امید کیسے کر سکتے ہیں۔ یہ ہم عوام ہیں جو ان لوگوں کو آئیڈیلائز کر کے ان سے اصولوں اور قانون کے مطابق عوام کی بہتری کے مطابق رویوں کی امیدیں باندھتے ہیں لیکن یہ دراصل ایسا ہے نہی۔ جج کو رشوت کی آفرز اور دھمکیاں نواز شریف کے بندوں نے بھی ضرور لگائی ہونگیں اور فوج نے بھی اسے ہر طرح سے دھمکا کر اپنی مرضی کا فیصلہ لکھوانا چاہا ہوگا۔ مریم اس وقت سیاست سے زیادہ اپنے باپ کو بچانے میں لگی ہے اور اس مہم میں وہ اسٹیبلشمنٹ سے یہ راؤنڈ جیت گئی ہے۔ ان ویڈیوز کو پولیٹیسائز کئے بغیر وہ یہ نتائج حاصل نہی کر سکتی تھی جو اس نے اب حاصل کئے ہیں۔ کسی کی مرضی کے بغیر بنائی گئی ویڈیو کو عدالت میں شہادت کے طور پیش نہی کیا جا سکتا تھا اور خاص طور پر جب ویڈیو بنانے والا خود باہر بیٹھا ہو۔ رہی سیاست تو سیاست کا اسے سوچنے کی کچھ زیادہ ضرورت بھی نہی کہ اس دو موئی سیاست میں عوام میں پزیرائی کا اسے خوف نہی کہ موجودہ معاشی صورتِ حال میں عوام کی نظر میں ن لیگ کے علاوہ کوئی اور آپشن موجود نہی ہے جبکہ سیاست کے دوسرے رخ یعنی اسٹیبلشمنٹ سے تعلقات کو نارملائز کرنے کی ساری کوششیں ناکام ہو جانے کے بعد اب اس کے پاس انہیں دبانے کے علاوہ اور راستہ ہی کیا بچا ہے۔ میرے خیال میں وہ اسٹیبلشمنٹ کو اتنا دبانا چاہتے ہیں کہ اسٹیبشمنٹ کسی طرح کی ڈیل پر مجبور ہوجائے۔

    Yes, a dirty game! Somebody/she needs to change its current dynamics for teeming suffering millions. Because no one can play it better than those who invented it. She and her family stand no chance within the current format.

    Instead of saving him she should plan about sacrificing him.

    Her win in the 1st round with a partisan base (or more precisely with GHQ opponents) was momentary. Just today the judge has unleashed a battery of lethal accusations against her family. Some other points are contained in the post above.

    What I am saying is that she got a significant pol capital in inheritance. Instead of wasting it recklessly, she should use it wisely, not only to increase it but also put it to better and effective use for the country’s long term future.

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    Abbu ki beti is a given fact and people should be allowed to see her as such. But why does she need to waste her energies on establishing something that is already established and she is enjoying the privileges associated with it?? She needs to broaden her base and appeal. She needs to develop a character of real resistance, taking GHQ head-on with a medium-term strategy as she is up against a medium to a long term plan. In my assessment, GHQ is working on 10 years plan thru this arrangement. And it has all the control and means to implement it. Her little tactics here and there are not offering any real challenge except for gaining some little respite here and there which GHQ does not mind. In 10 year time, a lot will change and she needs to be prepared for eventualities and oppos along the way. We have a culture of accusations and counter-accusations where nothing gets proved decisively. This is not going to change in the foreseeable future. Her current political capital and mantra of Abbu victimization are only effective with her current partisan lot — a very limited base. Just today a while ago, a lethal rejoinder of counter-accusation from the judge. On the other hand, GHQ sympathizers/barkers as you pointed out, are more effective in portraying her and her family as corrupt, confused, power hungry and always after a deal. In fact, I have never seen PMLn winning a war of trends on social media.

    Couldn’t agree more with each and every word of your post Darvaish Sb except that timing of broadening her canvas, at this moment in time, this is the only task at hand, she can`t go out and start giving her broader agenda, talk about what she is capable of doing till her father is behind bars.

    She is doing pretty well by making an effort to limit her confrontation with categoric words that she does not want to pick a fight with any department or institution. I believe that message is important for lower ranks of Mehkma Zaraat, although policy at top is punish them and next few weeks will be important that how they play their cards to convince or even force a change of course in Aabpara.

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    Couldn’t agree more with each and every word of your post Darvaish Sb except that timing of broadening her canvas, at this moment in time, this is the only task at hand, she can`t go out and start giving her broader agenda, talk about what she is capable of doing till her father is behind bars. She is doing pretty well by making an effort to limit her confrontation with categoric words that she does not want to pick a fight with any department or institution. I believe that message is important for lower ranks of Mehkma Zaraat, although policy at top is punish them and next few weeks will be important that how they play their cards to convince or even force a change of course in Aabpara.

    Regarding timing, I am not suggesting any abrupt change of gears. Obviously, it would be a transition but it should happen sooner rather than later.

    I was not expecting a distinction like ‘lower ranks’ from a pol thinker like you as if ISI believes her. There is no love lost between both the parties. It is a war and it should be brought into the open where she has an advantage as ISI cant be that open.

    I could not get the red part.

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    Regarding timing, I am not suggesting any abrupt change of gears. Obviously, it would be a transition but it should happen sooner rather than later. I was not expecting a distinction like ‘lower ranks’ from a pol thinker like you as if ISI believes her. There is no love lost between both the parties. It is a war and it should be brought into the open where she has an advantage as ISI cant be that open. I could not get the red part.

    In the red part I was referring to Department of Political Manufacturing where head and two other senior professors seem to be on the same page but not all the department, October can bring a major change if Bajwa Sb is not given extnetion, video leaks actually brightens his chances of an extention under the usual excuse of Security issues.

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    Re: مِیم بمقابلہ شِین

    ہاہاہاہاہا

    یہ ن لیگ کی ھسٹری ہے ما ئی ڈئیر ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ جونیجو ۔۔۔۔ بے نطیر کے ا نتقال سے لیکر مشرف ۔۔ اور جرنل راحیل ۔۔۔۔۔ کارپٹ کے نیچے جانے تک ۔۔۔۔۔۔

    ھر مخا لف ن لیگ سے ٹکرا کر ۔۔۔۔۔  کٹ گیا ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

    نیازی بھی کٹ جائے گا ۔۔۔۔۔۔

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    In the red part I was referring to Department of Political Manufacturing where head and two other senior professors seem to be on the same page but not all the department, October can bring a major change if Bajwa Sb is not given extnetion, video leaks actually brightens his chances of an extention under the usual excuse of Security issues.

    You mean to say that there is a difference in thinking of GHQ and ISI or difference of opinion within ISI?

    Yes, I agree that it depends a lot on the mindset of the person whom baton is passed on. If there is any change in the wake of a new army chief, then it will only be of tactics, not of the overall objective (decriminalization of politics) and the strategy.

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